What if...
08-16-2019, 07:50 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by thaddiusMbuggs
I think you may have missed the point of what I was getting at...please keep in mind I am just curious and this is just a legitimate hypothetical question before y'all get too excited. I am quite aware the market fluctuates and volatility is not uncommon. Again, what I am asking is if a serious tanking of the economy was to occur how things would possibly be different now than in the past...
08-17-2019, 03:15 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I don't think it was so much lack of money at the banks, it was the high risk of issuing $100K+ loan so someone who would use it to qualify for a $20K/year job with no clear timeline for career progression and ability to repay said loan. That still stands as far as I know, need collateral or co-signer today, which was not the case prior to 2008.
08-17-2019, 05:02 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I don't think it was so much lack of money at the banks, it was the high risk of issuing $100K+ loan so someone who would use it to qualify for a $20K/year job with no clear timeline for career progression and ability to repay said loan. That still stands as far as I know, need collateral or co-signer today, which was not the case prior to 2008.
08-21-2019, 09:00 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by peepz
Dude these ALPA comments that just attack us ain’t helping our cause, it’s causing people to be annoyed because it seems like these ALPA guys/gals think there **** smells good at their regional.
I’m pro alpa but these guys/gals are annoying as hell
I’m pro alpa but these guys/gals are annoying as hell
That bring said, you Skywest people have ridden on Alpa's coattails and contributed nothing. Enjoy KCM? You're welcome. Many of the safety initiatives, 117 rest rules, things like that are at least partially credited to Alpa. It's about time you guys boot the student council and bring in a union. It'll be less of a sham than what you currently have.
08-21-2019, 09:59 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Alpa sucks at a regional. Gotta love being brothers and sisters in "unity" with the same mainline that turns us down at the rate of 50%.
That bring said, you Skywest people have ridden on Alpa's coattails and contributed nothing. Enjoy KCM? You're welcome. Many of the safety initiatives, 117 rest rules, things like that are at least partially credited to Alpa. It's about time you guys boot the student council and bring in a union. It'll be less of a sham than what you currently have.
That bring said, you Skywest people have ridden on Alpa's coattails and contributed nothing. Enjoy KCM? You're welcome. Many of the safety initiatives, 117 rest rules, things like that are at least partially credited to Alpa. It's about time you guys boot the student council and bring in a union. It'll be less of a sham than what you currently have.
08-21-2019, 12:09 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Alpa sucks at a regional. Gotta love being brothers and sisters in "unity" with the same mainline that turns us down at the rate of 50%.
That bring said, you Skywest people have ridden on Alpa's coattails and contributed nothing. Enjoy KCM? You're welcome. Many of the safety initiatives, 117 rest rules, things like that are at least partially credited to Alpa. It's about time you guys boot the student council and bring in a union. It'll be less of a sham than what you currently have.
That bring said, you Skywest people have ridden on Alpa's coattails and contributed nothing. Enjoy KCM? You're welcome. Many of the safety initiatives, 117 rest rules, things like that are at least partially credited to Alpa. It's about time you guys boot the student council and bring in a union. It'll be less of a sham than what you currently have.
08-21-2019, 12:40 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by hawk21
There’s literally several thousands of pilots on property that would vote yes on it. It would pass if voted on today. Simmer down and take your frustrations out on the previous generations of OO pilots that kept voting it down.
The organizing committee will keep missing perfect opportunities and the company will keep staying 2 steps ahead.
08-21-2019, 01:13 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by thaddiusMbuggs
While I didn't intend this thread to become an ALPA debate, I'll throw my hat in the ring and say I agree. If an ALPA vote was put in place now or in the very near future I believe it would pass, and I would be one of the yes voters. The old timers who have the "Its the way we always have done it" attitude and the others who are anti union are now in the minority. The issue is that I doubt this vote will ever actually happen, the company knows how to keep the pilot group subdued...we get all worked up about some issue and all the talk is about how badly we need ALPA then suddenly a new piece of QoL policy is signed off on and everyone quietens on a union til the next upset occurs and the cycle continues.
The organizing committee will keep missing perfect opportunities and the company will keep staying 2 steps ahead.
The organizing committee will keep missing perfect opportunities and the company will keep staying 2 steps ahead.
