Anyone Hired/Turned Down as a Result of DUI?
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This question is specific to Skywest since I'm considering quitting my job and getting into their Pathway Program. So it's a big commitment for me. I have asked this question elsewhere before, but never got a straight answer. So please don't bash me.
Has anyone with a DUI (less than 5 years), expunged or not been hired or turned down because of it?.
Canada doesn't allow entry for DUI unless 10 years have passed.
Does the airline hire you and just assign you to non-Canada routes or simply not hire?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, No hypothetical. ONLY answer if you've actually experienced or seen this.
Thank you
Has anyone with a DUI (less than 5 years), expunged or not been hired or turned down because of it?.
Canada doesn't allow entry for DUI unless 10 years have passed.
Does the airline hire you and just assign you to non-Canada routes or simply not hire?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, No hypothetical. ONLY answer if you've actually experienced or seen this.
Thank you
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Do a search here, DUI , a good amount of info comes up. Hours and time since the event factor in.
Another thing is the rest of your application, hours, experience, training & driving record, the usual stuff.
Another option would be to go somewhere else, until it’s far enough back that it matters less.
I can’t see getting an absolute answer, details matter.
Another thing is the rest of your application, hours, experience, training & driving record, the usual stuff.
Another option would be to go somewhere else, until it’s far enough back that it matters less.
I can’t see getting an absolute answer, details matter.
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Do a search here, DUI , a good amount of info comes up. Hours and time since the event factor in.
Another thing is the rest of your application, hours, experience, training & driving record, the usual stuff.
Another option would be to go somewhere else, until it’s far enough back that it matters less.
I can’t see getting an absolute answer, details matter.
Another thing is the rest of your application, hours, experience, training & driving record, the usual stuff.
Another option would be to go somewhere else, until it’s far enough back that it matters less.
I can’t see getting an absolute answer, details matter.
Thanks
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This question is specific to Skywest since I'm considering quitting my job and getting into their Pathway Program. So it's a big commitment for me. I have asked this question elsewhere before, but never got a straight answer. So please don't bash me.
Has anyone with a DUI (less than 5 years), expunged or not been hired or turned down because of it?.
Canada doesn't allow entry for DUI unless 10 years have passed.
Does the airline hire you and just assign you to non-Canada routes or simply not hire?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, No hypothetical. ONLY answer if you've actually experienced or seen this.
Thank you
Has anyone with a DUI (less than 5 years), expunged or not been hired or turned down because of it?.
Canada doesn't allow entry for DUI unless 10 years have passed.
Does the airline hire you and just assign you to non-Canada routes or simply not hire?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, No hypothetical. ONLY answer if you've actually experienced or seen this.
Thank you
If you don't want us to speculate, just call the HR department and see if you can get someone to talk through scenarios with you.
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I’m not a professional pilot but here is my $0.02. Just look at the regional’s job postings. Most, if not all, demand that you are able to enter Canada in their wording. Hell here is some of that wording on OO’s website:
“No pilot who has been convicted of any criminal offense that will prohibit him/her of gaining Canadian clearance will be hired to fly.”
MQ’s requirement:
“Ability to travel into and out of the U.S. and to all cities/countries served by Envoy”
After about five years you can apply for “rehabilitation” via the Canadian Consulate General’s office. You can apply at any time but >5yrs has the most success. I would have the waiver IN HAND prior to applying for any pilot job that has the requirements.
“No pilot who has been convicted of any criminal offense that will prohibit him/her of gaining Canadian clearance will be hired to fly.”
MQ’s requirement:
“Ability to travel into and out of the U.S. and to all cities/countries served by Envoy”
After about five years you can apply for “rehabilitation” via the Canadian Consulate General’s office. You can apply at any time but >5yrs has the most success. I would have the waiver IN HAND prior to applying for any pilot job that has the requirements.
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How close are you to your ATP mins? I doubt it would exclude you from the pathway program because when you are in the pathway program you don't actually work here, you are part of the cadet program. Are you talking about going to one of the partner schools to get tuition reimbursement or what?
If you don't want us to speculate, just call the HR department and see if you can get someone to talk through scenarios with you.
If you don't want us to speculate, just call the HR department and see if you can get someone to talk through scenarios with you.
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I’m not a professional pilot but here is my $0.02. Just look at the regional’s job postings. Most, if not all, demand that you are able to enter Canada in their wording. Hell here is some of that wording on OO’s website:
“No pilot who has been convicted of any criminal offense that will prohibit him/her of gaining Canadian clearance will be hired to fly.”
MQ’s requirement:
“Ability to travel into and out of the U.S. and to all cities/countries served by Envoy”
After about five years you can apply for “rehabilitation” via the Canadian Consulate General’s office. You can apply at any time but >5yrs has the most success. I would have the waiver IN HAND prior to applying for any pilot job that has the requirements.
“No pilot who has been convicted of any criminal offense that will prohibit him/her of gaining Canadian clearance will be hired to fly.”
MQ’s requirement:
“Ability to travel into and out of the U.S. and to all cities/countries served by Envoy”
After about five years you can apply for “rehabilitation” via the Canadian Consulate General’s office. You can apply at any time but >5yrs has the most success. I would have the waiver IN HAND prior to applying for any pilot job that has the requirements.
Another important thing is my DUI has been expunged. I'm hoping to find someone with a similar situation who can tell me the expungement helped them or it didn't matter and they still couldn't get hired. That way I can make my decision. I don't want to risk my job at this point.
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I know and I've seen those wordings. On the other hand I've seen a lot of conflicting information that they might hire if desperate enough (especially these days) and just not not send the pilot to Canada.
Another important thing is my DUI has been expunged. I'm hoping to find someone with a similar situation who can tell me the expungement helped them or it didn't matter and they still couldn't get hired. That way I can make my decision. I don't want to risk my job at this point.
Another important thing is my DUI has been expunged. I'm hoping to find someone with a similar situation who can tell me the expungement helped them or it didn't matter and they still couldn't get hired. That way I can make my decision. I don't want to risk my job at this point.
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If it is expunged why are you worried? Did you go through the proper procedures to get out of the FBI system? If I were worried about it I would take a trip up to Canada and see if they stop me at the border.
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Expungement is a nebulous subject. In my opinion, you’re fine. Get a full criminal records check (state you were arrested in, and Fed). See what comes up.
There are issues though.
Cities, counties, states, and regions do not necessarily share data AND/OR have their own “special” database system that is not part of NLETS. That information won’t be shared with Canada via an NLETS query; only NLETS data will be shared. I would bet $1M that the Canadians wouldn’t know you had a DUI conviction.
I’m not a Canada Border Services officer but I am a (“retired”) immigration/ customs officer for a nearby nation (and I’m also Canadian lol). In my experience, even if a foreigner admitted to a crime, an admission of guilt of a historic conviction is not substantial enough to permanently preclude their admission. Evidence would be necessary to substantiate whether or not they are definitively inadmissible. The burden of proof is always on the alien; it’s not the governments job to prove you’re admissible. IIRC, I would let them continue on their travel but tell them to gather the documents prior to their next admission. If they were a real sh*tbag I would boot them back to Canada and make it difficult. I digress.
I would be honest with your application for employment; more so if they **specifically** ask for expunged convictions (very common today). You could consult with your attorney but again, expungements are quite nebulous.
There are issues though.
Cities, counties, states, and regions do not necessarily share data AND/OR have their own “special” database system that is not part of NLETS. That information won’t be shared with Canada via an NLETS query; only NLETS data will be shared. I would bet $1M that the Canadians wouldn’t know you had a DUI conviction.
I’m not a Canada Border Services officer but I am a (“retired”) immigration/ customs officer for a nearby nation (and I’m also Canadian lol). In my experience, even if a foreigner admitted to a crime, an admission of guilt of a historic conviction is not substantial enough to permanently preclude their admission. Evidence would be necessary to substantiate whether or not they are definitively inadmissible. The burden of proof is always on the alien; it’s not the governments job to prove you’re admissible. IIRC, I would let them continue on their travel but tell them to gather the documents prior to their next admission. If they were a real sh*tbag I would boot them back to Canada and make it difficult. I digress.
I would be honest with your application for employment; more so if they **specifically** ask for expunged convictions (very common today). You could consult with your attorney but again, expungements are quite nebulous.
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