Str8 Cash Homie

Good, if you lived in an Envoy base idk why you wouldn’t. They are applying because the money bags are heavier. SkyWest is in the middle of contract negotiations, having their own pilots jump ship to another regional has never been an issue for them. This just increases the bargaining power and reality for management that if they don’t make drastic changes to both pay rates and QOL, the gig is up.

Excargodog

Well, as you can see, my comments were in direct response to your original comment that erroneously (and oversimplistically) modeled what was going on. I sincerely doubt that EVERY active reader of these forums has either seen my comments on this subject or truly understands the limiting factor that CA availability plays in this situation, but for those of you who do - or otherwise find my comments annoying, you are in luck. APC does have a function for blocking individuals whose postings you don’t care to see and it works quite well, in fact I am myself up to five individuals now that I have blocked for trolling or excessively juvenile comments. Please feel free to block me if reading my comments displease you in any way.

Str8 Cash Homie

Brother I’m not going to block you lol. I’m just telling you to chill out, we all received your message the first time.

Timmay

The sad fact is that I blocked him, but I still see him in the replies. Lol

Excargodog

Obviously not, or you wouldn’t have made the initial erroneous post. And you can “tell me” anything you want. Convincing me…? Not so much.

Excargodog

No system is perfect I suppose…

westcoastf

These are some big numbers…

Does anyone have thoughts on what the pay will be / other benefits SAPA will try to include on the new contract?

PorkyMcFuzz

Basically you can take all the amazing pay deals from numerous other regionals around the country...and don't expect anything even remotely close to as good as what they have. That would be my guess

goodridecowboy

Had someone tell me $100/FO $200/CA so seems like we're all really grounded about this and have level expectations of how much SGU values us

VegasChris

It's going to be a complicated contract because it has to convince 3 different groups of pilots to stay and not bail to ULCC or WO regionals.

Group 1 - OO lifers - these pilots need to be convinced to be LCA and senior captains that have good seniority and therefore a good QOL. The training department is included in this group as well. When WO LCA make 427 an hour this is going to take some big benefits to keep these pilots because they are keeping the training of young new pilots moving forward.

Group 2 - junior captains-. They already have a bad QOL and schedule. They want to go to a legacy or freight. OO is already trying to hold them back with metering of classes at 2 legacies. The current bonus and GPI program is not going to come close to cutting it. They need money on par with ULCC and a career path to their goal along with QOL improvements on par with ULCCs.

​​​​​​Group 3 - FOs - This is the simple one. They need to offer higher wages to keep them at OO want to upgrade. This has to be better than bailing to ULCC or WO as soon as they hit 500 or 750 hours of 121 time. Making OO a quick stop to get an ATP, first type, and a 1000 hours of 121 time is going to be expensive in the long run for the company to continue to support without getting this group to become captains and fly with the next group of FOs.

Fail to get a good package out in timely manner or fail to convince all of the groups that this is a better deal than moving to some other carrier first chance it's offered and the pilots will walk and you will see attrition numbers exponentially higher as everyone tries to move on quickly.

It's also a race-. It looks like the recession is coming, but air travel demand is hot for months to come and the hiring numbers and growth from the majors and ULCCs is really going to squeeze OO. So will a recession stop the pilot movement and save OO money? or will it take too long to get here and maybe the pilots will get a good deal?