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07-28-2015 | 07:01 PM
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07-29-2015 | 04:23 AM
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When does the vote close for you guys?
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07-29-2015 | 04:59 AM
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I don't know if it has happened recently (last 10 years) but I've never heard of an airline pilot having to take a 709 ride. ALPA has always suggested that anytime you file an ASAP, you concurrently file an ASRS as well. At xjt, all we do is check off a box on the last screen before submitting and they automatically file your report with NASA.
07-29-2015 | 10:03 AM
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The other two 709 rides I'm aware of at SkyWest ended in revocation as well.
It would just seem that if someone is being tied to a 709 ride the FAA would expect it to be justified and have it fail.
I'm hoping the rides coming up are successful, but I know the FAA is really ****ed with us right now and I think they want their pound of flesh?
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07-29-2015 | 04:19 PM
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I think our MOU states the report has to be filed within 24 hours from the time the duty period ends in which the event occurred...I might be wrong on this but I have filed an ASAP and when we spoke to the ASAP rep, this is what I was told.
I think there are 5 criteria which consists of criminal activity, substance abuse, controlled substances, alcohol, or intentional falsification, aka the Big 5. I assume this is what you were referring to.
I think there are 5 criteria which consists of criminal activity, substance abuse, controlled substances, alcohol, or intentional falsification, aka the Big 5. I assume this is what you were referring to.
Yeah, you are right. Those are the five. But the mou says that it's 24 hours from the occurrence or from when the pilot was made aware of the occurrence and wasn't reasonably expected to know of it.
Ok, I'll take your word for it. I just don't understand that if the ASAP was accepted, how it could lead to a 709 ride, let alone revocation.
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07-29-2015 | 06:20 PM
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07-29-2015 | 07:11 PM
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ASAP does not protect someone from a 709. It never has, it never will. 709s are the result of any investigation where there is a question about pilot competence(including ASAP), as in there was nothing wrong with the plane and the pilot did something that was outside of PTS standards, leading to whatever occurrence is being investigated. Read what I posted on the previous page, it explains the process. A 709 is not a punishment or enforcement, which is why it's not covered. If ultimately a pilot lost a cert as the result of a 709, it's because they were not able to perform at the level the certificate requires.
07-29-2015 | 08:01 PM
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ASAP does not protect someone from a 709. It never has, it never will. 709s are the result of any investigation where there is a question about pilot competence(including ASAP), as in there was nothing wrong with the plane and the pilot did something that was outside of PTS standards, leading to whatever occurrence is being investigated. Read what I posted on the previous page, it explains the process. A 709 is not a punishment or enforcement, which is why it's not covered. If ultimately a pilot lost a cert as the result of a 709, it's because they were not able to perform at the level the certificate requires.
Ok, I understand what you are saying now. So I take it that filing an ASRS also doesn't preclude a 709 ride?
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