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09-20-2012 | 08:27 PM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
"Let me put it this way, what would those guys from other ALPA regionals say if you asked them if they would be better off or worse off by being non-union at those regional airlines and therefore pay no dues?"
Finally we've reached the point. I didn't have to ask them, they told me. ALPA did nothing for them, it wouldn't have made any difference if they had a union or didn't. The only difference was they paid 2% of their income for no benefit. All of the "benefits" of ALPA were completely ignored by the company, when they went to their reps it took 2-3 years to get an answer, which invariably was "we're still working on it". Look, if you are happy with ALPA thats wonderful but please don't try to talk us into it if we're happy without. I'm not trying to talk you into getting rid of ALPA, am I?
Finally we've reached the point. I didn't have to ask them, they told me. ALPA did nothing for them, it wouldn't have made any difference if they had a union or didn't. The only difference was they paid 2% of their income for no benefit. All of the "benefits" of ALPA were completely ignored by the company, when they went to their reps it took 2-3 years to get an answer, which invariably was "we're still working on it". Look, if you are happy with ALPA thats wonderful but please don't try to talk us into it if we're happy without. I'm not trying to talk you into getting rid of ALPA, am I?
We are just expressing our opinions based on facts. Take it how you wish. Keep riding the coat tails and rationalizing it.
PS What about Mr T Williams?
Here ya go Nevets: this a good source for ya
ALPA News Release
ALPA Urges President Bush to Sign Age 65 into Law
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Capt. John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), issued the following statement after the U.S. Senate unanimously approved a bill to raise the mandatory retirement age for airline pilots to 65. The U.S. House of Representatives passed the same language, H.R. 4343, on December 11.
“ALPA has worked very hard to ensure that its Executive Board’s recommendations, intended to protect the piloting profession in the face of a change that was certain to come, were included in any age-change legislation.
“I am pleased to report to our members that this legislation reflects the direction of ALPA leadership. ALPA has been working closely with both the Senate and the House to ensure that the legislation moves to the White House as rapidly as possible. We urge President Bush to sign the bill swiftly.”
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union representing more than 60,000 pilots at 42 airlines in the U.S. and Canada.
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ALPA News Release
ALPA Urges President Bush to Sign Age 65 into Law
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Capt. John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), issued the following statement after the U.S. Senate unanimously approved a bill to raise the mandatory retirement age for airline pilots to 65. The U.S. House of Representatives passed the same language, H.R. 4343, on December 11.
“ALPA has worked very hard to ensure that its Executive Board’s recommendations, intended to protect the piloting profession in the face of a change that was certain to come, were included in any age-change legislation.
“I am pleased to report to our members that this legislation reflects the direction of ALPA leadership. ALPA has been working closely with both the Senate and the House to ensure that the legislation moves to the White House as rapidly as possible. We urge President Bush to sign the bill swiftly.”
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union representing more than 60,000 pilots at 42 airlines in the U.S. and Canada.
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09-21-2012 | 03:35 AM
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If all three companies ever merged, it would be wise to have fences. BIG fences
09-21-2012 | 03:54 AM
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1. ALPA is as good as your pilot group. Its your peers who vote people into leadership positions. ALPA national has NOTHING to do with the character of the people that are working for any particular airline that happen to get democratically elected by their coworkers. Let me put it this way, what would those guys from other ALPA regionals say if you asked them if they would be better off or worse off by being non-union at those regional airlines and therefore pay no dues? My guess is if they were being honest they would say that they would be worse off. Just imagine how much worse pilots at Mesa and TSA would be if they were non-union and saving 1.95% in tax deductible union dues? We are all one CEO away from working for the next Ornstein!
And this just goes to show how ALPA is, by and large, just along for the ride as the pilots (while collecting their 2%) The one common denominator in those whole mess is that, conveniently for ALPA, ASA dues are just as green as Delta dues.
09-23-2012 | 05:17 AM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
1. ALPA is as good as your pilot group. Its your peers who vote people into leadership positions. ALPA national has NOTHING to do with the character of the people that are working for any particular airline that happen to get democratically elected by their coworkers. Let me put it this way, what would those guys from other ALPA regionals say if you asked them if they would be better off or worse off by being non-union at those regional airlines and therefore pay no dues? My guess is if they were being honest they would say that they would be worse off. Just imagine how much worse pilots at Mesa and TSA would be if they were non-union and saving 1.95% in tax deductible union dues? We are all one CEO away from working for the next Ornstein!
And this just goes to show how ALPA is, by and large, just along for the ride as the pilots (while collecting their 2%) The one common denominator in those whole mess is that, conveniently for ALPA, ASA dues are just as green as Delta dues.
2. You're confused. It's management that plays different pilot groups against each other, especially at the regional level. Regional MECs simply try to negotiate for the best pay and work rules for whatever scraps their management was able to bid for.
3. The point wasn't that people are trying to get to FDX for their ASAP. The point was that non-union pilots are riding the coat tails of the FDX pilots and the rest of us yet are happy to apply there an pay their union dues if they get hired.
4. If ALPA was just along for the ride, age 65 would have been much worse.
Last edited by Nevets; 09-23-2012 at 05:50 AM.
09-23-2012 | 06:56 AM
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Enhanced medical exams and standards is about all I can think of, and I suspect the airlines would fight against that... washing out half the pilot force by age 55 would only enhance the "big pilot shortage" defeat the point for them.
09-23-2012 | 12:40 PM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Enhanced medical exams and standards is about all I can think of, and I suspect the airlines would fight against that... washing out half the pilot force by age 55 would only enhance the "big pilot shortage" defeat the point for them.
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