Skywest (sapa) forum shut down!
08-01-2015, 04:25 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 147
I agree with the general sentiment of this thread.
SAPA has become increasingly irrelevant under JP's rule. While I agree that posting pictures of someones house is going way too far, shutting down the forums entirely was way over the line.
Removing our primary tool for communication SAPA has essentially shown that they don't really want to represent the pilots at all. The behavior on the forums I feel was a direct result of the general apathy displayed by SAPA with regard to important issues (like the absurdity of allowing new hires to vote on the pay package.)
SAPA has become increasingly irrelevant under JP's rule. While I agree that posting pictures of someones house is going way too far, shutting down the forums entirely was way over the line.
Removing our primary tool for communication SAPA has essentially shown that they don't really want to represent the pilots at all. The behavior on the forums I feel was a direct result of the general apathy displayed by SAPA with regard to important issues (like the absurdity of allowing new hires to vote on the pay package.)
08-01-2015, 04:34 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,498
Originally Posted by E6-B
I agree with the general sentiment of this thread.
SAPA has become increasingly irrelevant under JP's rule. While I agree that posting pictures of someones house is going way too far, shutting down the forums entirely was way over the line.
Removing our primary tool for communication SAPA has essentially shown that they don't really want to represent the pilots at all. The behavior on the forums I feel was a direct result of the general apathy displayed by SAPA with regard to important issues (like the absurdity of allowing new hires to vote on the pay package.)
SAPA has become increasingly irrelevant under JP's rule. While I agree that posting pictures of someones house is going way too far, shutting down the forums entirely was way over the line.
Removing our primary tool for communication SAPA has essentially shown that they don't really want to represent the pilots at all. The behavior on the forums I feel was a direct result of the general apathy displayed by SAPA with regard to important issues (like the absurdity of allowing new hires to vote on the pay package.)
08-01-2015, 04:38 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: FIRE ALPA
Posts: 3,082
Originally Posted by GravyRobber
Right on Jason!
Hopefully this hurts SAPA more than it helps, and begins to pave a path to real representation.
Hopefully this hurts SAPA more than it helps, and begins to pave a path to real representation.
08-01-2015, 06:26 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
It probably only happened with change of leadership, slow the conspiracy roll lol. I think JP is on his way to greener pastures. What was the house pic thing about? I didn't see the forums before all this
08-01-2015, 06:43 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
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Posts: 615
A couple thoughts:
1) Facebook for Skywest pilots. I'm sure there is a group already.
2) Twitter: May sound ridiculous but it is a mass communication media.
3) There is a ton of open time for August. How about we just work our scheduled time?
Ladies and Gentlemen, make no mistake about it, this is a tactic designed to silence the vocal dissenters. By removing the forum they have effectively removed our abilities to communicate "in-house" as a pilot group; to discuss opinions openly and candidly, albeit sometimes immaturely. This is indicative of a scared leadership group.
If it were an issue with one individual, the individual should be banned, not the entire forum.
1) Facebook for Skywest pilots. I'm sure there is a group already.
2) Twitter: May sound ridiculous but it is a mass communication media.
3) There is a ton of open time for August. How about we just work our scheduled time?
Ladies and Gentlemen, make no mistake about it, this is a tactic designed to silence the vocal dissenters. By removing the forum they have effectively removed our abilities to communicate "in-house" as a pilot group; to discuss opinions openly and candidly, albeit sometimes immaturely. This is indicative of a scared leadership group.
If it were an issue with one individual, the individual should be banned, not the entire forum.
08-01-2015, 06:54 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320
Posts: 170
Just like anything a few ruined it for everyone. Russ's explanation posted on sapa pretty much explains it all. It is pretty low and not what we as a group are about to intimidate a fellow pilot like someone did not once but TWICE. Does the timing of it sucks yea, but come on what did we all expect when someone takes it too far and sapa/Skywest could get sued for allowing the intimidation to keep occurring even after some people got banned the first time.
I'm all for donating some money to create a "pipe" like forums where volunteers are willing to be monitors and pilots can vent to the day to day ops.
I'm all for donating some money to create a "pipe" like forums where volunteers are willing to be monitors and pilots can vent to the day to day ops.
08-01-2015, 07:04 AM
#28
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: RJ Captain
Posts: 1,174
SAPA has been wanting to get rid of the forum for a while. They got rid of the old one in exchange for the worse one in existence - straight out of 1998 - all in an effort to limit communication among the pilot group.
It's no wonder that the turnout for elections runs as low as 10%.
It's no wonder that the turnout for elections runs as low as 10%.
08-01-2015, 08:18 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by Avroman
Don't count on ALPA to be any more representative or legitimate. They are nothing but a political machine looking to stay on flight pay loss for themselves.
Originally Posted by E6-B
Correct.
You can't vote at an ALPA carrier until you've been on property for a year and are off probation.
Someone who's still being evaluated and has no experience with the company shouldn't be voting.
You can't vote at an ALPA carrier until you've been on property for a year and are off probation.
Someone who's still being evaluated and has no experience with the company shouldn't be voting.
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