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NewGuy01 01-17-2018 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by Nordopilot (Post 2504865)
Senior capt awards for a while. We’ll see how big that base gets. I doubt E175 upgrades will go below 3 years for a while now



Wouldn’t it pull a bunch of SLC commuters back to SLC and create a lot of captains vacancies in places like ORD and LAX?


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deadseal 01-17-2018 04:18 PM

Mercyful fate just opened another thread in the delta forum calling me general lee....lol. Crazy kids these days

NewGuy01 01-17-2018 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by deadseal (Post 2505251)
Mercyful fate just opened another thread in the delta forum calling me general lee....lol. Crazy kids these days



Bye bye lol


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Check Complete 01-17-2018 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by Truthanator (Post 2504418)
Hahahaha! Keep swinging Sally! YOU'RE = you are

Your college loans were a solid investment!
My "glorious" company gives me 20 days off per month and feeds me every trip! I'm an idiot because I got too drunk in the South Pacific and let a big fish get away!

My "good ole boy club" drives Ferrari's and Porche's and drinks small batch bourbon!

The more you little babies cry the funnier this gets! Keep it coming!:cool:


It seems when somebody publishes the bullet points of their career high lights it's really more of a Walter Mitty dream?

flyinbybraille 01-18-2018 03:35 AM

The disconnect grows..
 
Long days, not enough pilots, not enough planes. And we're out here going after stuff like this?

http://herald-review.com/news/local/document-skywest-seeks-reversal-of-decatur-air-service-decision/article_83a558ea-3c88-5d80-8239-27ff5e263779.amp.html

Or UIN, MEI, PIB, CGI. Why on earth do we go after this flying?! To run Cape Air out of business or is SGU just out for global domination? We fly close to empty nearly every time, it pays ****, and we end up with a 5 leg - 12hr day that credits 6:05. Its ridiculous. If things don't change, OO will have a union's fat dick up their LDS butt in no time. And idk how J. Smith will ever forgive them.

HermannGraf 01-18-2018 10:34 AM

Union in no time.....
 

Originally Posted by sugmadic (Post 2505551)
Long days, not enough pilots, not enough planes. And we're out here going after stuff like this?

Cape Air moving forward at Decatur Airport as SkyWest appeals for contract | Local | herald-review.com

Or UIN, MEI, PIB, CGI. Why on earth do we go after this flying?! To run Cape Air out of business or is SGU just out for global domination? We fly close to empty nearly every time, it pays ****, and we end up with a 5 leg - 12hr day that credits 6:05. Its ridiculous. If things don't change, OO will have a union's fat dick up their LDS butt in no time. And idk how J. Smith will ever forgive them.

We’ll see what happens. Skywest has the most anti union pilot group in the world as it has been very successful in attracting pilot’s that do not understand Unions and see them as Socialism or Communism only out to destroy companies or steal your money. To say that the IQ and information level is low among those pilots is an understatement as they do not even understand what the different words or terms mean but they heard it so many times over and over again with a meaning as something like the “devil” that it becomes a mantra and belief not matter what you try to tell them. That in combination with that the company knows very well what kind of pilot group it has and takes advantage of it by lying in their face over and over again does not make the situation easier. The Company with help of SAPA makes this pilot group believe what ever they need to get exactly the pay packages they want which has happened over and over without the pilot group learning anything from it. Thanks to SAPA the Company has a great tool to enforce, sell and push down the throat pay packages that can only be voted “yes” at Skywest. I do not blame the company for any of this. They are excellent at their part of the game. Their part is to make the most profit possible and no one does it better than Chip and Co. No other airline in the world has grown more, expanded more than Skywest no one has open more new hangars, bought more airplanes kept more hundreds of million of cash in the bank while at the same time telling it’s pilots that they are winning highly paid primadonas that actually do not even work and that the company can’t afford to pay them more if they want to keep their jobs. Skywest has a very skillful and greedy Management that is supposed to be balanced by a strong organized pilot group that is supposed to save the company and management from themselves in times like today. Skywest is again managed by the most skillful management that can beat any competitor when it comes to run an airline but what they are not good and never has been is Staffing and Staffing is the only thing that can and will take Skywest down and it starts like we have by becoming the lowest paying operator. I know that the TA’s out there are waking up even the most anti union people at Skywest and for now they think and say that the company will adapt and do the changes they need themselves and that a Union is not needed but that is more of believing the “boss is a good guy and cares about us” mentality. I am certain that in the near future even these hard core John Wayne’s anti Union guys will change their mind. It is only a matter of time. The company won a short term victory by lying and Using SAPA to sell to the pilot’s again an insulting and in these times criminally low pay package using tools like letting first year employees vote for the first time, buying the votes of the most senior lifers by giving them the highgest 401K increase etc etc but in the long run they may loose big by this last pay package as it is exactly what this pilot group needed to wake up and see the right face of management. Skywest has been until now the world fastest growing airline in the history of aviation and the money comes from the profit that they long ago should have shared with it’s pilots. Nothing wrong in growing, nothing wrong in being greedy and nothing wrong in trying to make the highest profits by not even paying its pilot’s fair salaries but it is wrong not to adapt to the new market climate and make us the “New Mesa” that when the Aussie pilot mill runs out will not attract many pilots here in the US. We need the company to correct the pay at all levels of seniority to attract but more importantly retain the pilots. Our attrition is growing from around 40 to 60 per month and that is a %50 increase and even if we fill classes for now with the Skywest 2.0 more are leaving. Staffing will take Skywest down if the pilot group does not wake up and stops management. Management shows for now clearly that we need a Union.

Turbosina 01-18-2018 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by HermannGraf (Post 2505847)
We’ll see what happens. Skywest has the most anti union pilot group in the world as it has been very successful in attracting pilot’s that do not understand Unions and see them as Socialism or Communism only out to destroy companies or steal your money. To say that the IQ and information level is low among those pilots is an understatement as they do not even understand what the different words or terms mean but they heard it so many times over and over again with a meaning as something like the “devil” that it becomes a mantra and belief not matter what you try to tell them. That in combination with that the company knows very well what kind of pilot group it has and takes advantage of it by lying in their face over and over again does not make the situation easier. The Company with help of SAPA makes this pilot group believe what ever they need to get exactly the pay packages they want which has happened over and over without the pilot group learning anything from it. Thanks to SAPA the Company has a great tool to enforce, sell and push down the throat pay packages that can only be voted “yes” at Skywest. I do not blame the company for any of this. They are excellent at their part of the game. Their part is to make the most profit possible and no one does it better than Chip and Co. No other airline in the world has grown more, expanded more than Skywest no one has open more new hangars, bought more airplanes kept more hundreds of million of cash in the bank while at the same time telling it’s pilots that they are winning highly paid primadonas that actually do not even work and that the company can’t afford to pay them more if they want to keep their jobs. Skywest has a very skillful and greedy Management that is supposed to be balanced by a strong organized pilot group that is supposed to save the company and management from themselves in times like today. Skywest is again managed by the most skillful management that can beat any competitor when it comes to run an airline but what they are not good and never has been is Staffing and Staffing is the only thing that can and will take Skywest down and it starts like we have by becoming the lowest paying operator. I know that the TA’s out there are waking up even the most anti union people at Skywest and for now they think and say that the company will adapt and do the changes they need themselves and that a Union is not needed but that is more of believing the “boss is a good guy and cares about us” mentality. I am certain that in the near future even these hard core John Wayne’s anti Union guys will change their mind. It is only a matter of time. The company won a short term victory by lying and Using SAPA to sell to the pilot’s again an insulting and in these times criminally low pay package using tools like letting first year employees vote for the first time, buying the votes of the most senior lifers by giving them the highgest 401K increase etc etc but in the long run they may loose big by this last pay package as it is exactly what this pilot group needed to wake up and see the right face of management. Skywest has been until now the world fastest growing airline in the history of aviation and the money comes from the profit that they long ago should have shared with it’s pilots. Nothing wrong in growing, nothing wrong in being greedy and nothing wrong in trying to make the highest profits by not even paying its pilot’s fair salaries but it is wrong not to adapt to the new market climate and make us the “New Mesa” that when the Aussie pilot mill runs out will not attract many pilots here in the US. We need the company to correct the pay at all levels of seniority to attract but more importantly retain the pilots. Our attrition is growing from around 40 to 60 per month and that is a %50 increase and even if we fill classes for now with the Skywest 2.0 more are leaving. Staffing will take Skywest down if the pilot group does not wake up and stops management. Management shows for now clearly that we need a Union.

Dear heavens, man. Paragraphs!!

hawk21 01-18-2018 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by sugmadic (Post 2505551)
Long days, not enough pilots, not enough planes. And we're out here going after stuff like this?

Cape Air moving forward at Decatur Airport as SkyWest appeals for contract | Local | herald-review.com

Or UIN, MEI, PIB, CGI. Why on earth do we go after this flying?! To run Cape Air out of business or is SGU just out for global domination? We fly close to empty nearly every time, it pays ****, and we end up with a 5 leg - 12hr day that credits 6:05. Its ridiculous. If things don't change, OO will have a union's fat dick up their LDS butt in no time. And idk how J. Smith will ever forgive them.

I don't think you understand how EAS routes work. That's easy money to stick a 200 on, regardless of how many passengers show up.

flyinbybraille 01-18-2018 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by hawk21 (Post 2505933)
I don't think you understand how EAS routes work. That's easy money to stick a 200 on, regardless of how many passengers show up.

I don't, please enlighten me. From reading this article it doesn't sound that profitable. Aside from that, most of the EAS routes in the Midwest are a downright waste of taxpayer dollars.


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