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I wouldn’t have accepted that. If it is delayed to the point that you are no longer legal to fly it, it needs to be recrewed. Did you ask them what their plans were for the return flight that you wouldn’t be legal for?
Since they would have had to give to you 10 hours of rest, you wouldn’t have been required to fly that return flight the following day either. |
Originally Posted by TheFly
(Post 2461099)
I wasn’t told anything beyond the flight was delayed because of no FO. I had 2 more legs to go, but only enough duty time to complete 1. I was out of my domicile (but a SKW base) during the fatigue call.
The flight would cancel if no replacement. You need to know the rest and duty rules, might have screwed yourself. |
Originally Posted by trip
(Post 2461119)
You would have been illegal for it so they would pull you off it ( with pay). Sometimes it takes a while for them to figure this out and what there're going to do.
The flight would cancel if no replacement. You need to know the rest and duty rules, might have screwed yourself. Sounds like they needed to find a CA too. They are a bit slow. |
Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
(Post 2461116)
I wouldn’t have accepted that. If it is delayed to the point that you are no longer legal to fly it, it needs to be recrewed. Did you ask them what their plans were for the return flight that you wouldn’t be legal for?
Since they would have had to give to you 10 hours of rest, you wouldn’t have been required to fly that return flight the following day either. If they can't easily replace you (typical, they're normally out of reserves by late afternoon at a hub) they will most DEFINITELY launch you on a one-way trip on your last day. Outbound flight completes. You time out and RON. The return does NOT cancel, it is merely "delayed" for 10+ hours until the next morning. After min rest, you work the delayed return leg on your day off. Bonus for the company. If it's your last day in this situation, and you want/need to go home, fatigue is probably the way to go. You can check reserve coverage to make an informed decision. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2461195)
They care about COMPLETION metrics...
If they can't easily replace you (typical, they're normally out of reserves by late afternoon at a hub) they will most DEFINITELY launch you on a one-way trip on your last day. Outbound flight completes. You time out and RON. The return does NOT cancel, it is merely "delayed" for 10+ hours until the next morning. After min rest, you work the delayed return leg on your day off. Bonus for the company. If it's your last day in this situation, and you want/need to go home, fatigue is probably the way to go. You can check reserve coverage to make an informed decision. Negative! Call in fatigued and stop being used as a pawn. Make management manage, stop being a crutch, and things will get fixed. |
Originally Posted by Check Complete
(Post 2461279)
Negative! Call in fatigued and stop being used as a pawn. Make management manage, stop being a crutch, and things will get fixed.
The intent is to check reserve coverage to inform the best decision for YOU. If there are reserves, you might be better off hanging out until they replace you... you get paid, no questions asked. If there are no reserves, then their only option is to fly you to the outstation and let you time out and RON into your day off. In that case might want to call in fatigued before they board the plane, that's just awkward. If you call fatigue blindly, you might be leaving money on the table. Inform yourself, understand their motives and options, have a plan, and know when to execute. Something else you're wrong about... things will never get fixed. You're living the new normal, SGU has probably concluded that the regional business model as we know it is doomed, and they are just looking to make as much money as they can before the inevitable staffing-induced downsizing. |
Calling in fatigued because you don’t want to be inconvenienced is a good way to jack up the fatigue system. Be a man and refuse the flight, then face the consequences. Or....be a professional and do your job, accepting that sometimes your schedule gets changed. Calling out fatigued when you’re not fatigued is a b*tch move.
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
(Post 2461310)
Calling in fatigued because you don’t want to be inconvenienced is a good way to jack up the fatigue system. Be a man and refuse the flight, then face the consequences. Or....be a professional and do your job, accepting that sometimes your schedule gets changed. Calling out fatigued when you’re not fatigued is a b*tch move.
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. But you could call in emergency or sick too, that might better preserve the fatigue system for what it's really intended for. Sick might be best, for emergency they're entitled to a detailed explanation of the circumstances if the ask. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2461195)
They care about COMPLETION metrics...
If they can't easily replace you (typical, they're normally out of reserves by late afternoon at a hub) they will most DEFINITELY launch you on a one-way trip on your last day. Outbound flight completes. You time out and RON. The return does NOT cancel, it is merely "delayed" for 10+ hours until the next morning. After min rest, you work the delayed return leg on your day off. Bonus for the company. If it's your last day in this situation, and you want/need to go home, fatigue is probably the way to go. You can check reserve coverage to make an informed decision. So the determination is if it is delayed and will be a quick turn on your day off (middle of the night) then you still have to do it. If the delay will force you into rest then you are NOT obligated to do the return flight the next day. Since you were released into rest on your day off you do not have to report back to duty that day. You CAN if you choose to (and are legal for it) but it is voluntary. |
Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
(Post 2461329)
Negative. This was exactly what the company had been forcing over the summer and SAPA got it cleared up. Days off were determined to be days off (weird right?).
So the determination is if it is delayed and will be a quick turn on your day off (middle of the night) then you still have to do it. If the delay will force you into rest then you are NOT obligated to do the return flight the next day. Since you were released into rest on your day off you do not have to report back to duty that day. You CAN if you choose to (and are legal for it) but it is voluntary. They'll come up with a bogus determination that you'll be legal to make the return flight, therefore they'll force you to go. Usually involves 3-minute taxi times, cruise at .83, or the like. Once you arrive at the outstation, then they "re-evaluate" the legalities and "realize" you're stuck. Yes you can just rent a car and drive home, but they're accepting that risk on the assumption that it will be easier for you to just work the return flight. Seen it happen many times. I think they actually look at your home address to make sure it's not convenient for you to just go home rather than RON. When I told them I was going home the last time this happened, they actually told me they didn't see any flights that would get me to my home town that night. I told them, yeah but you stranded me in my parents home town... See Yah! I know of what I speak. You might fool me once, but rarely twice. |
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