I think a lot of folks are operating under the (possibly correct) assumption that the big three are going to be hiring like gangbusters in a couple years, and that they may not need that much PIC (likely <500, if any), so why kill themselves doing a crappy commute to a crappy base to fly a crappy airplane with crappy new-hire FO's... in the dead of winter.

I would say if you're hell-bent on getting moving on and maximizing career seniority do not EVER for ANY reason pass up a career progression opportunity. An anticipated, intentional, six month delay can turn into an unanticipated, unintentional 6+ year delay in a heartbeat. BTDT.

Anyone know who to talk to about credit for a fatigue call? I was working a flight with no F.O. (4pm scheduled) & the flight was “delayed” until the following morning at 7:30am. To avoid staying at the airport indefinitely (last day of the trip), I called in fatigue. Even if I would have continued the trip at the time of the call, would have timed out at an out-station (I had 2 more legs to go).

SAPA should have info on that o their web site.

I doubt you'll get paid based on what "would" have happened had you not called in.

Whether you get paid probably depends on your duty footprint prior to the fatigue call, and the time of the call.

If you had plenty of rest opportunity, and were adjusted to a PM schedule, and called off at 1900, maybe no pay.

If you had reduced rest, or am to pm flip-flop, with long duty day and called off after many hours on duty, probably get paid.

Wow, so it would have just been better to “skip out” since it was the last 2 legs of the last day?!

Murphy’s Law states that whenever there is absolutely no airplane you could fly in your remaining duty time, one will suddenly appear. Some international reserve pilots commuted home from CVG after the last plane to Europe was long gone.....but it returned and needed a new crew. :(

That's great advice, especially for some of these youngsters who are new to aviation. Most of us who've been around a while were told years ago not to pass up opportunity. Take it and make it work. Adjustments can be made down the road. I couldn't agree more with you.

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You'd get in big trouble for "skipping out".

The way the company views fatigue...

They'll pay if it's obvious that there were fatigue factors beyond your control.

They don't want to pay if they think you had opportunity for adequate circadian rest, but somehow that rest didn't happen. They also don't want to pay if they think you used fatigue just because you didn't feel like working later than scheduled on the last day... common if the victory lap is delayed and you're sitting in your own base.

Submit a report per your Fatigue Risk Management System. Your Fatigue review committee (faa, company, association members) should determine your fatigue level according to your sleep/awake schedule for your previous few days.

This doesn't make any sense, were you released or told to stay at the airport? 4-7:30 is 15.5 hours duty before you even take off?

I wasn’t told anything beyond the flight was delayed because of no FO. I had 2 more legs to go, but only enough duty time to complete 1. I was out of my domicile (but a SKW base) during the fatigue call.