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ncsean 09-12-2016 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Piedmonster (Post 2200994)
Um, no. I for one am junior and know how to bid. It's why my schedule comes out consistently better than captains with years of seniority on me. It's not my fault they don't understand how PBS works and I do. I don't want them seeing how often my schedule is better than theirs and realizing they need to bid differently to get what they want.
If you're junior, and actually really know how to bid, this is a bad idea, long term your schedule will turn worse.

Jesus Christ Dude. What about the good of the pilot group as a whole? That is really a disgusting point of view you have...and I'm way more junior than you I bet.

disillusioned 09-12-2016 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by ncsean (Post 2201058)
Jesus Christ Dude. What about the good of the pilot group as a whole? That is really a disgusting point of view you have...and I'm way more junior than you I bet.

The most ironic thing of all was he/she was just weeping and wailing in May of 2014 on the old SkyWest thread about how PBS screwed up so bad. But now that it's figured out, to hell with everyone else.

I have actually offered advice some tips via PM to some of the posters here. Not an expert, but being a perpetual junior does give you time to practice. I have also asked for help from some regulars on here and never heard a peep back. If you are more senior to me, you should have the trip. And we should be more willing to help our group vs making sure that I get mine. In a perfect world I guess...

Squallrider 09-12-2016 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by SMACFUM (Post 2201038)
What are you even talking about? Exactly what conspiracy theories have I alluded to?

I agree, probably 99% of perceived PBS errors, are actually user errors. However, there have been several times where PBS has messed up, and awarded pairings out of seniority. Although admittedly rare, it has and does happen. Ask any of the guys who have PBS viewership. Remember last year when they had to re-run the entire bid because PBS jacked it up so badly?

It's really simple, publishing the awards (not the actual bids) provides more transparency, which makes it easier to spot errors, on the very rare cases that they happen. Nothing more, nothing less.

I didn't mean to Imply you are a conspiracy theorist, I meant that that is the excuse ppl on Sapa forum use to rationalize poor bidding technique

Squallrider 09-12-2016 05:07 PM

Its odd that ppl don't learn pbs, a huge part of your QOL is your schedule, why wouldn't you put the time in?

WesternSkies 09-12-2016 07:25 PM

Every month our system DOES award outside of seniority order, to "globalize" for the sake of company efficiency. This isn't a ”mess-up” isn't one of its errors.

Efficiencies.

It's not our beauty that lets us cover more flying with fewer pilots than other airline.

It's YOU getting that crappy (or amazing) month of flying that makes efficiencies happen because you are a resource to be optimized. Your senority is a guideline.

To learn (Globalizing) PBS is to understand that you still need luck.

Is offline 09-13-2016 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Piedmonster (Post 2200994)
Um, no. I for one am junior and know how to bid. It's why my schedule comes out consistently better than captains with years of seniority on me. It's not my fault they don't understand how PBS works and I do. I don't want them seeing how often my schedule is better than theirs and realizing they need to bid differently to get what they want.
If you're junior, and actually really know how to bid, this is a bad idea, long term your schedule will turn worse.

You're an idiot. We are the only company that hides the awarded flying and it's not due to some flight attendant stalking. You say your a pbs master being junior, and in a few years you have descent seniority you will get slammed. The logic of you can't bid something in all 7 layers goes 100% against seniority. If I can hold every sat and sun off please tell me why I can't bid it off in all 7 layers? Multiple times over the last few months I have seen trips awarded to junior people that I bid for. The reason report stated they were awarded senior.

Will the bids being published do any good? Probably not, but when the pilot group finally gets pi**ed off enough something will give(great water bottle debacle of 2015) if your were here for that.....

Squallrider 09-13-2016 06:16 AM

Unless you're number one you can't hold everything and anything all the time.

elmetal 09-13-2016 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 2201409)
Unless you're number one you can't hold everything and anything all the time.

That's so wrong it's not even funny.

Squallrider 09-13-2016 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2201415)
That's so wrong it's not even funny.

Its actually not wrong, someone senior to you can always take what you want......so tell me how this is wrong?

elmetal 09-13-2016 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 2201431)
Its actually not wrong, someone senior to you can always take what you want......so tell me how this is wrong?

If you have 100 lines, 20 duty periods per day, the top 30 guys can and will get every weekend off if they want. Thats how you're wrong.


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