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Old 11-07-2017, 06:35 PM
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They and anyone hired from this point on who is qualified can be considered street captains even if they aren’t officially called that in an interview.
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Old 11-07-2017, 06:47 PM
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I understand ASA pilots having hard feelings against SkyWest Inc. But, any of those pilots living in ATL would be crazy not to jump over now.
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Old 11-07-2017, 06:51 PM
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I understand ASA pilots having hard feelings against SkyWest Inc. But, any of those pilots living in ATL would be crazy not to jump over now.
I think they would be crazy not to apply at big D. If that doesn’t work. Skywest wouldn’t be a bad plan B.
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Old 11-07-2017, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I think we have to agree to disagree on this.

I'm not actually opposed to alpa at regionals, just had a bad experience once and want folks to understand the reality.
Fair enough. Although just because you had a bad experience does not mean it would be the same experience at other regionals. Lastly, consider how much worse it would be a places like mesa?


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You are obsessed with unions. It clearly didn’t work for you at XJT. It won’t do us any good here. Get over it or find something else to talk about.

It worked fine for me at xjt and still does so to this day. Saying it won't do you any good at Skywest without anything to back that up doesn't make statement true. I've given plenty of examples of how it would work for you in plenty of post in the past. And if it bothers you that I talk about it, just ignore it. But I'll reserve my right to respond to any thread that I want, thank you very much.
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Old 11-07-2017, 08:17 PM
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Doesn’t sound like a real safe practice at a regional airline. I’m sure some junior guys probably aren’t taking the upgrade because they aren’t comfortable as a captain yet with 1000 121 hours and 2500 total time.

The media would have a field day if they get to report about an accident on a recently hired pilot in his second year flying a jet that was forced to upgrade to captain against their will. That kind of news shuts a place down.

Also, what would be the ultimatum from the company? Upgrade or they will fire you? Regional pilots are scarce enough as it is without giving away the ones you have. If they fire them now they are looking for a CA and FO.

Lastly, an ultimatum such as that usually doesn’t sit well with employees. Maybe people would likely just quit (since it’s just a regional anyway) and it would deter others from coming here in the first place who don’t want the junior bases.

None of these things are helpful when you are already fighting other airlines to get any and all available pilots.

Those are good points. But I'm not sure about not being safe for pilots with 1,000 hours 121 time and 2,500 total. I do agree that they would probably hire street captains before displacing pilots, like it sounds they may be doing already.
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Old 11-07-2017, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cefiro View Post
I understand ASA pilots having hard feelings against SkyWest Inc. But, any of those pilots living in ATL would be crazy not to jump over now.
No. Actually, not just NO, but **** NO. Inc can take their soft landings, pull down their magic underwear, and shove it where the sun don't shine.
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd View Post
Wouldn’t say “street” captains.. but Yep..2 now. 9/17 hire date most Jr Captain and bids are still being processed.. but no one has been interviewed and hired as a “street” Captain...
That's just nomenclature.

Anyone with the required time and a desire to go to ATL will be an instant CA.

Once the word gets out I am sure there will be plenty of XJT/ASA folks who will consider it. Having soft landing 1.0 will give them up to instant 10 year CA pay. Not too bad even if there are some hard feelings.
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets View Post
Those are good points. But I'm not sure about not being safe for pilots with 1,000 hours 121 time and 2,500 total. I do agree that they would probably hire street captains before displacing pilots, like it sounds they may be doing already.
I should clarify. I don’t mean all pilots with 1,000/2,500 are unsafe to upgrade. Most are probably prepared just fine. I mean some guys recognize that they aren’t ready for CA at that time and would like to bypass it to gain more experience.
I know upgrades can be forced, I just personally don’t like the practice.
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:26 AM
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No. Actually, not just NO, but **** NO. Inc can take their soft landings, pull down their magic underwear, and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Hey my man! I sympathize with your situation and I would harbor negative sentiment towards Inc as well, were I in your place. Hell, I work here and I don't like a lot of things about it! The kool aid, crap pay, lack of union, breaking of work rules by management at a dime whenever it suits them is sickening. But it isn't all bad, compared to being unemployed and wondering how you'll be able to feed your family. Consider for a moment that not every XJT pilot will be able to be hired by a legacy or LCC. There is only so much of your group that the big players can employ at once. SkyWest at least will take you with your 10 year seniority and you'll be a captain at ATL if that is where you wish to be based. I hate what St. George is doing to you guys (and us at SkyWest too, they are screwing their own pilots as well for sure!), and I do think that this was engineered from a while back to shut down XJT and bring your pilots onto this non-union seniority list. But if you find yourself in a situation where you don't have where to go and need a quick upgrade, just do it for your family man. PM me if you want, I'm willing to listen.
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AboveMins View Post
No. Actually, not just NO, but **** NO. Inc can take their soft landings, pull down their magic underwear, and shove it where the sun don't shine.
I'm sure a lot of y'all feel that way, and that's understandable. But, if you want ATL seems better to be on 10 yr CA pay than first year FO pay at 9E. Not to mention vacation accrual and bonuses for the 10years.
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