RckyMtHigh

Especially if I'm taking my family on a 6 hour flight to Hawaii. I want assigned seats with power.

ecam

Allegiant used to fly to Hawaii from several west coast cities in 757s holding 220. No food, no power plugs, no internet. And they were almost full every day. But the tickets were pretty cheap, and no one seemed to mind.

Isn't that why there's a Quiznos and a convenience store in the airport?

ZapBrannigan

Guess the question is, who do you want to compete with? Legacies with assigned seating, IFE, meals, clubs?

LCCs like JetBlue or Virgin with Mint class, lie flat seats, gourmet food, satellite tv, high speed internet?

Or the ultra LCCs that are nothing more than a seat and a $5 bag of peanuts.


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Packrat

Except for the people that got stranded there when the 757 broke down. And it wasn't for a day because Allegiant only went there 2 or 3 times a week.

It was a disaster.

e6bpilot

I think we are trying to fit somewhere in the middle. This is all supposition, but I suspect we will fly full airplanes and make money on the product we have now. We have a pretty good customer base that appreciates the non nickel and dime aspect of our product. It’s all about expectation. If you know what you are getting into then you aren’t disappointed. The flight attendants will continue to make peanut crowns and sling drinks with a smile and a joke, our commercials will continue to air during football on Sunday, and I will keep getting paid on the 5th and 20th.
Other than the nonrev opportunities, I really don’t care about Hawaii. I’ve been there before. It’s ok, but it isn’t that great without someone to enjoy it with.

Peacock

The Hawaii idea apparently is more about people being able to be frequent fliers and use their points to get to Hawaii more than actually making money off Hawaii routes. Hopefully both

Smooth at FL450

Wouldn't surprise me. In order to have enough points to take your family to Hawaii, you have to buy a lot of tickets throughout the rest of the network.

e6bpilot

I have actually heard that as a reason that we don’t fly to Hawaii ie “it will all be rapid rewards bookings and we won’t make money” since RR seats are always available as long as there are seats for sale.
I think it is BS. They set the RR rates based on how they think a flight will sell in order to entice RR members to burn points. I deadheaded next to a family whose dad had accumulated over 1M RR points in business travel and was burning over 300k on one trip for two generations to go to Aruba.
Of course reward travelers are going to burn points on leisure destinations, it’s just how the game is played. Those points are essentially an IOU from the company and they know exactly how many are out there and can estimate with pretty good accuracy how many will be used on any given time/route and can adjust the point levels of the travel to minimize reward bookings.
Hawaii service is all about stopping the practice of customer created connections. We are currently feeding Hawaiian and other airlines through our huge domestic network and not reaping any of the rewards. Look at Hawaiians presence in all of our big west coast stations. Think that is a coincidence?

flysocal77

The reason we aren't already serving Hawaii is because we don't have a plane that can do it. This all changes when the max arrives and I will be surprised if we don't start in 2018.

e6bpilot

We have a fleet of ETOPS 800s that could do it today if we had the blessing of the FAA. That’s part of how they sold the 800s to the pilot group for freeeeeeeeee.