HELP! SWA or Current gig?
12-11-2017, 06:44 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by BB818
I'm not afraid of working hard. Corporate is easily 10X harder and more stressful than my airline days. Having said that, $$ is important to me as well. I'm willing to work a lot, I'm just wondering what the realistic possibilities are as a commuter. Everyone hears stories of FO's making 300K or Captains making 400+ but I sit and wonder if those are the few, super-senior guys living in base. I don't expect to make that anytime soon however, it's important for me to develop a good sense of what's realistic within the next few years as I will have to take a massive paycut and probably work every weekend and holiday for years. Maybe I have a skewed sense from my days at DAL from 2000-2005 which included commuting to reserve 20 days /month, furlough, 50% pay-cut, bankruptcy, etc. Thank you for your input- very much appreciated.
FWIW....if you did a 110 avg when you hit yr 5 you’ll be at 200k. A 110 avg on yr 12 is 230k. I’m finishing my 2nd yr and will do 150k or so doing a 130 avg. You’ll get 15 off on rsv and 16-19 off as a line holder so there’s room to pick up as needed assuming you’re legal.
12-11-2017, 07:06 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by BB818
Do you live in base?
12-11-2017, 07:43 PM
#14
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Position: American Airlines Brake Pad Replacement Technician
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HELP! SWA or Current gig?
6.5 tfp avg credit per day min guarantee. That's the MINIMUM you're going to credit for a days work.
The Senior/in Domicile can average north of 10 tfp per day during the peak months.
You'll have flexibility to fly less days in the slow months and fly more in the fast months. There are junior folks working as little as 6-8 days a month in slow months, and some working FAR 117 max in the summer months crediting over 200 TFP...AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. And even some outliers above & below the above.
BWI is a very productive base, even as a commuter it won't be too hard to credit 110-120 a month. Your Seniority and flexibility on days worked will dictate how many days it takes you to hit that magic tfp #.
1300 tfp is a recent annual average used by the union for you to postulate #s with. Add per diem, 14.2% NEC 401k, and profit sharing and you have a good mark regarding total compensation. There's some pretty good health insurance options.
There are folks from some very credible cabin class operators at SWA. I think it'd be perfectly acceptable to make a decision either way, just crunch some good #s so you do the financial valuation part of the decision correctly first.
Then put all the intangibles that are a bit harder to assess a monetary value to like commuting, career stability, equipment, Work environment, job satisfaction, etc
The Senior/in Domicile can average north of 10 tfp per day during the peak months.
You'll have flexibility to fly less days in the slow months and fly more in the fast months. There are junior folks working as little as 6-8 days a month in slow months, and some working FAR 117 max in the summer months crediting over 200 TFP...AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. And even some outliers above & below the above.
BWI is a very productive base, even as a commuter it won't be too hard to credit 110-120 a month. Your Seniority and flexibility on days worked will dictate how many days it takes you to hit that magic tfp #.
1300 tfp is a recent annual average used by the union for you to postulate #s with. Add per diem, 14.2% NEC 401k, and profit sharing and you have a good mark regarding total compensation. There's some pretty good health insurance options.
There are folks from some very credible cabin class operators at SWA. I think it'd be perfectly acceptable to make a decision either way, just crunch some good #s so you do the financial valuation part of the decision correctly first.
Then put all the intangibles that are a bit harder to assess a monetary value to like commuting, career stability, equipment, Work environment, job satisfaction, etc
12-11-2017, 09:51 PM
#17
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
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How many years worth of that compensation is your boss willing to put into an escrow account, payable to you in full the day that job ceases to exist? $300k sounds great, until the airplane is sold. If they are asking for your commitment, then it’s only fair to ask the same of them.
Corporate gigs are usually just 1 death or divorce away from going away (or one new CEO, just ask GE’s flight Department). SWAs stability is something you could take to the bank.
Corporate gigs are usually just 1 death or divorce away from going away (or one new CEO, just ask GE’s flight Department). SWAs stability is something you could take to the bank.
12-12-2017, 02:53 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Corporate gigs are usually just 1 death or divorce away from going away (or one new CEO, just ask GE’s flight Department). SWAs stability is something you could take to the bank.
Unless you’re flying for Walmart or Target or Coca-Cola.
12-12-2017, 03:40 AM
#20
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,796
Originally Posted by TiredSoul
This ^^^
Unless you’re flying for Walmart or Target or Coca-Cola.
Unless you’re flying for Walmart or Target or Coca-Cola.
I was flying for Walmart for a while. In 2007 they laid off 15% of the pilots with no notice and not in seniority order and with no opportunity for recall. Even they are not immune to the uncertainty of a corporate aviation career.
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