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Old 06-21-2019, 07:07 AM
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Maybe pilots should also sim train to immediately turn toward a suitable airport after a dual engine failure instead of flying away from it for another 30 seconds while trying to figure out what happened. Sully is the best example yet of superior airmanship making up for terrible situational awareness and decision making. Sully should just find an island and retire on it not weigh in on every aviation problem that gets a camera in his face just because he had one very lucky day.
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:39 AM
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Maybe pilots should also sim train to immediately turn toward a suitable airport after a dual engine failure instead of flying away from it for another 30 seconds while trying to figure out what happened. Sully is the best example yet of superior airmanship making up for terrible situational awareness and decision making. Sully should just find an island and retire on it not weigh in on every aviation problem that gets a camera in his face just because he had one very lucky day.
Or maybe it’s situationally dependent and pointing directly at an airport over one of the most densely populated areas on earth with both engines out isn’t always the best choice.
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:43 AM
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.......if you don’t leave the thrust levers set to takeoff power for the duration of your mishap.
Kind of ironic. Sully never touched the thrust levers (or whatever Airbus calls them) during his accident either.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PropPiedmont View Post
Kind of ironic. Sully never touched the thrust levers (or whatever Airbus calls them) during his accident either.
Were the master switches or ignition manipulated?
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PropPiedmont View Post
Kind of ironic. Sully never touched the thrust levers (or whatever Airbus calls them) during his accident either.
I didn’t think airbus pilots were allowed to touch the thrust levers...

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Old 06-21-2019, 10:38 AM
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some of you are just jealous, (and short sighted)

I would rather have Sully advocating for airline safety than some CEO or lobbyist advocating for cost savings.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:04 PM
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We are not worthy of the great Sullenberger!! Such an expert!!

I have heard from US airways guys that he was a pain to fly with...
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:05 PM
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Sully isn't wrong.

I guess you could trash his event/outcome. Or, you could look at it from a risk-management point of view.

The latest version of the 737 was certified by the FAA with a system on it that no one knew about. It's been stretched and "maxxed out" about as much as anyone can to an airplane and still issue a "common type rating."

The FAA approach to certification is at real issue. The 73 had it's issues with certification in the early days. UA 585, East wind 517, USAir 427 all had rudder reversals that were due to a poorly designed and improperly certified rudder PCU.

Why do we have so many insane versions of the guppy?

No reason to make this airplane. Boeing should have designed a fresh approach to the 757. The 737 has reached it's design limitations. Adding MCAS to the airplane because they had to move the bigger engines was not the answer. A new airplane was.

If Boeing doesn't re-design the MCAS system and/or the FAA doesn't re-certify it, there's no avoiding some serious training. Everyone that touches a guppy will want to know all they can.

What they 2 crews did and did not do is actually of little importance at this point. The ghost system that they didn't know was there killed them. The FAA has blood on it's hands. Never should have certified it. The FAA has to certify it for the entire world, not just western trained pilots.

If the entire world that flies the 737 doesn't accept the fix, and if pilots haven't trained on it, and if they haven't demonstrated successful recoveries in various types of weather it's not going to have the trust of professional pilots nor the public at large.
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:15 PM
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Sully isn't wrong. What they 2 crews did and did not do is actually of little importance at this point. The ghost system that they didn't know was there killed them. The FAA has blood on it's hands. Never should have certified it. The FAA has to certify it for the entire world, not just western trained pilots.
Contributory negligence on behalf of the manufacturer, airline training, and crews... however the blame also lies in the non-execution/and or improper execution of the RUNAWAY STABILIZER Abnormal Procedure.
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by navigatro View Post
some of you are just jealous, (and short sighted)

I would rather have Sully advocating for airline safety than some CEO or lobbyist advocating for cost savings.
I completely agree. As much as I sometimes groan when I hear his name. Sully is well respected and trusted by the general public for what he did that day and how he did it. Regardless how you feel about him as a man he is well regarded and helped boast the perception of us by the general public. In a time we were increasingly compared to bus drivers by the flying public, he came along and embodied the reason you want a well payed professional at the controls. It’s not for when a flight is routine. You pay us and rely on us when everything goes wrong and our skills, not automation, brings everyone home. He and Al Haynes have use their public fame to help further aviation careers and industry. Al with his emphasis on CRM and Sully sounding the alarm at the degradation of pay and work rules we were getting hammered with in the 2000s. I don’t agree with all of Sully’s viewpoints but I do feel he has well earned the platform and rights to express it. Haynes and now Sully represented us to the traveling public as calm, talented, level headed, and articulate. Frequently these days, inexperienced 20 year old internet influencers have been speaking on our behalf without our consent or even knowledge. It’s nice to see public representatives that don’t use hair gel or tell you to click a link for more info.
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