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Old 01-21-2020, 10:36 AM
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Max flights delayed until 4th quarter 2020?
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Old 01-21-2020, 11:39 AM
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Max flights delayed until 4th quarter 2020?

How long will the board of directors allow Gary to not act? Airbus is on back order through 2024. An acquisition is needed.
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Old 01-21-2020, 11:51 AM
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How long will the board of directors allow Gary to not act? Airbus is on back order through 2024. An acquisition is needed.
a M&A event will take years before it’s completed. Not like you can buy Spirit, paint the planes and run them from ABQ-BWI tomorrow. The Max will be resolved long before any benefits are seen from a M&A event.
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Old 01-21-2020, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by docav8tor View Post
How long will the board of directors allow Gary to not act? Airbus is on back order through 2024. An acquisition is needed.
Gary would look really smart buying a profitable airline for their planes, get our own planes back long before the acquisition is completed, just in time for the next downturn with a bunch of planes we don’t need and an airline we overpaid for.
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Old 01-21-2020, 12:03 PM
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Be a great time to buy out Sun Country for some established growth to keep the board happy.

-30-35 lightly used NG’s (800’s).
-SWA would pretty much control all of Terminal 2 at MSP (Get the Metropolitan Airport Commission to expand the terminal if needed and also continue to add more shops and restaurants).
-Good loads all year round (north south flying in the winter, East and west in the summer).
- Established presence in the charter side of business (military and collegiate sports).
- Small freight contract with Amazon.
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Originally Posted by Onedayatatimee View Post
Be a great time to buy out Sun Country for some established growth to keep the board happy.

-30-35 lightly used NG’s (800’s).
-SWA would pretty much control all of Terminal 2 at MSP (Get the Metropolitan Airport Commission to expand the terminal if needed and also continue to add more shops and restaurants).
-Good loads all year round (north south flying in the winter, East and west in the summer).
- Established presence in the charter side of business (military and collegiate sports).
- Small freight contract with Amazon.
Except they don’t own their planes. They’re leased. And the rates are really high according to friends that work there. Worth it for 30 planes? That you can’t put on your network for prob a year?
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Old 01-21-2020, 01:27 PM
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News article says Boeing expects max mid 2020 now lol
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Old 01-21-2020, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81 View Post
a M&A event will take years before it’s completed. Not like you can buy Spirit, paint the planes and run them from ABQ-BWI tomorrow. The Max will be resolved long before any benefits are seen from a M&A event.
Maybe, but this rolling delay and putting all the faith in Boeing & the regulators is hurting. Had they known this would be between an 18 - 24 month grounding they might have done something last summer.

Keeping in mind this model of aircraft is at great risk should anything were to happen after being redeployed after recertified.

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Old 01-21-2020, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81 View Post
a M&A event will take years before it’s completed. Not like you can buy Spirit, paint the planes and run them from ABQ-BWI tomorrow. The Max will be resolved long before any benefits are seen from a M&A event.
Put the MAX issue aside for a moment. Do you think WN+NK would get approved under normal circumstances? Public outcry for cheap seats and consumer advocacy groups going up in arms about reduced competition, etc etc.

Now imagine a somber Gary Kelly in front of regulators stating they have no choice but to buy NK and diversify their fleet. Looks better for everyone involved and guaranteed there wouldn't be a peep from anyone to fight the merger.

The MAX debacle serves as the perfect scapegoat for eliminating a competing carrier through a merger.
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The MAX debacle serves as the perfect scapegoat for eliminating a competing carrier through a merger.

Agreed. It’s now, or never.




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