Alaska TA Passes With 82%
10-17-2022 | 12:46 PM
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Alaska TA Passes With 82%
Alaska TA passes with an 82% yes vote.
I posted over there on their “Alaska Air Hiring” thread on Oct 3 that it was clear the TA was going to pass with approximately an 85% vote in favor. I’m not Nostradamus. I’m pretty familiar with the Alaska pilot group and I’m pretty familiar with how these things go after hearing nearly verbatim arguments rationalizing yes votes on subpar contracts here at SWA over the years.
If you want to read a version of our future when a TA comes out here at SWA, go read the Alaska threads concerning their TA. You’ll see a very similar dynamic play out here when that time arrives.
I posted over there on their “Alaska Air Hiring” thread on Oct 3 that it was clear the TA was going to pass with approximately an 85% vote in favor. I’m not Nostradamus. I’m pretty familiar with the Alaska pilot group and I’m pretty familiar with how these things go after hearing nearly verbatim arguments rationalizing yes votes on subpar contracts here at SWA over the years.
If you want to read a version of our future when a TA comes out here at SWA, go read the Alaska threads concerning their TA. You’ll see a very similar dynamic play out here when that time arrives.
10-17-2022 | 12:58 PM
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They talked about it. I just don’t think it’s nearly the boogeyman at Alaska and other places that it is here at SWA. For one thing, the guys at Virgin had it. Most seemed to prefer it over what a lot of them described as Alaska’s “archaic” line bidding system. Line bidding over there seemed to be viewed as an outdated relic that only boomers could appreciate along with their paper bid packages.
10-17-2022 | 01:05 PM
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They talked about it. I just don’t think it’s nearly the boogeyman at Alaska and other places that it is here at SWA. For one thing, the guys at Virgin had it. Most seemed to prefer it over what a lot of them described as Alaska’s “archaic” line bidding system. Line bidding over there seemed to be viewed as an outdated relic that only boomers could appreciate along with their paper bid packages.
I don't think they had the same overlap drop rules that SWA does. If they lose credit, don't they have to make it up or something?
10-17-2022 | 01:24 PM
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The only carrier that I’m aware of that got paid for transition drops with line bidding was NK. They gave that up in thier last agreement. As far as vac and training drops that go away in a pbs world. As long as your able to capture the same historical average or better credit for those drops with pbs language you’ll at worst be even and possibly ahead. But to answer the question I believe Alaska did have to get back to a minimum credit by the end of the bid period.
10-17-2022 | 01:40 PM
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They talked about it. I just don’t think it’s nearly the boogeyman at Alaska and other places that it is here at SWA. For one thing, the guys at Virgin had it. Most seemed to prefer it over what a lot of them described as Alaska’s “archaic” line bidding system. Line bidding over there seemed to be viewed as an outdated relic that only boomers could appreciate along with their paper bid packages.
10-17-2022 | 06:04 PM
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They didn't get paid for any line bidding conflicts according to Alaska pilots, and they had to pickup time to get back to their line credit or skeds could assign them a trip. Their line bidding sounded worse than PBS by a mile!
10-17-2022 | 06:49 PM
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I don’t think the naysayers understand just how bad some of the work rules and schedules over there were. They got all that fixed or significantly improved plus - scope, where they had none before. And their pay, while probably not a raise accounting for inflation, is higher than anyone else. Except an Envoy check airman of course. There is a reason other than, “those guys are a bunch of koolaid drinkers,” as to why it passed with 85%. Remember, they voted to authorize the strike with 95+% participation and 95+% authorization? 50+% of the pilots showed up to picket?
10-17-2022 | 07:34 PM
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I don’t think the naysayers understand just how bad some of the work rules and schedules over there were. They got all that fixed or significantly improved plus - scope, where they had none before. And their pay, while probably not a raise accounting for inflation, is higher than anyone else. Except an Envoy check airman of course. There is a reason other than, “those guys are a bunch of koolaid drinkers,” as to why it passed with 85%. Remember, they voted to authorize the strike with 95+% participation and 95+% authorization? 50+% of the pilots showed up to picket?
Yeah, their work rules were the worst bar none. Pre covid We had Alaska captains coming over to f9. At first I thought they were nuts until they explained the work rules. I’m happy for them.
10-17-2022 | 07:39 PM
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It was extremely bad. It remains to be seen how PBS is implemented. I've warned my coworkers many times: PBS isn't magic it's just a computer program. Garbage in garbage out. You have to have the work rules to make it better than our old line bidding system.
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