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Profane Kahuna 12-14-2022 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by bull (Post 3550292)
Just curious…what is your justification for the same pay for a 350/777 carrying 300+ people around the World vs a 737 carrying 180 people around the US? Traditionally, more expensive aircraft, generating more revenue, carrying more people, operating in more challenging environments (language, rules, etc), tend to pay more. I’m genuinely interested and not trying to start anything…full disclosure I don’t work for SWA and would love to see you all get $400/hour. I’m just trying to figure how that is in the ZOR with Delta’s latest AIP

Yawn…….FUD…….yawn

Lewbronski 12-14-2022 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3551903)
Yawn…….FUD…….yawn

Yes. FUD.

WGWWN - We Get What We Negotiate.

tm602 12-14-2022 10:31 PM

What is this, late 90s Mesa stuff? Justifying reasons to make LESS money? Look, if a widebody guy gets upset that a 737 pilot makes more than he, that’s a failure of the widebody pilots’ own negotiating. Why go after the 737 guy who aimed higher?
Man, talk about a bucket of crabs…

ZapBrannigan 12-15-2022 06:08 AM

There were TWO questions during Bob’s last Q and A about the availability of food, and the menu at cafeterias on the corporate campus and in tech ops.

So they’re willing to consider how to keep the office staff fed and watered so they don’t have to leave work to find lunch. But they’ve given zero thought to how an AM crew departing on a transcon before the restaurants at the terminal are open should handle it. Or a crew trying to do a 30 minute turn between two 3 hour legs.

I thought about sending that question in, but then I thought better of it. SWAPA speaks for me.

Rseat 12-15-2022 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by bull (Post 3550292)
Just curious…what is your justification for the same pay for a 350/777 carrying 300+ people around the World vs a 737 carrying 180 people around the US? Traditionally, more expensive aircraft, generating more revenue, carrying more people, operating in more challenging environments (language, rules, etc), tend to pay more. I’m genuinely interested and not trying to start anything…full disclosure I don’t work for SWA and would love to see you all get $400/hour. I’m just trying to figure how that is in the ZOR with Delta’s latest AIP

I’ll try to give you my honest assessment.

While you fly two legs per week on your “more expensive” heavy, assuming you’re a line holder, I fly about ten on my Lil “cheaper” Guppy. ​​​​Even while on reserve, we’re still very likely to fly those average ten legs on our side. Do you fly a trip every week while you’re on reserve at your airline? I’m going to make an educated guess and say, no. By that assumption, I’m probably more efficient for my company.

We never have the necessity nor the “luxury,” of having to go to the box to get our landing currency! If you’re doing that on our side, you’re costing the company quite a bit of money not physically being in the cockpit generating revenue! Our company dislikes that very strongly. As long as they pay me my worth and protect the business going forward, they can run it as they see fit.

Our business models are very different. That’s not to say one is better or worse than the other, just different. Our streamline and often efficient operation, allows our company to enjoy savings that others may not. That in combination with my hard work, allows them to generate a healthy balance sheet year over year. Tell me, if I could negotiate compensation similar to that of your wide bodies’ while possibly generating similar revenue, how does that hurt anyone else’s interests? Ever heard of, “a tide raises all boats?”

Regardless, you and I get what we negotiate. And, this is no longer your Daddy’s negotiating cycles of years past. If it was, there wouldn’t be Regional pilots making 300k plus money as we speak. Good on them!! Our side has different elephants in the room to address. Otherwise, we risk becoming a revolving door, where flying with seasoned FOs would be like a Sasquatch sighting! This I believe, could eventually have a direct affect on my QOL and stress levels while at work.

Asa2swa 12-15-2022 06:59 PM

Check out JB’s new rates. My expectations just went up again.

Caveman 12-15-2022 07:07 PM

The real talent and muscle that makes the money is in Dallas windowless death star though

CA1900 12-15-2022 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by Caveman (Post 3552967)
The real talent and muscle that makes the money is in Dallas windowless death star though

Is that the DEI team, or the one that makes sure the cafeteria is closed any time I'm in training? :D

at6d 12-15-2022 09:03 PM

Speaking of efficient trips and contracts, I remember (during the last contract negotiations) a stat that was put out which stated that if UAL were to fly our schedule under their rules they would have had to hire 3000 more pilots.

Anyway, we fly a lot. Pay us accordingly.

Lewbronski 12-15-2022 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 3553066)
Speaking of efficient trips and contracts, I remember (during the last contract negotiations) a stat that was put out which stated that if UAL were to fly our schedule under their rules they would have had to hire 3000 more pilots.

Anyway, we fly a lot. Pay us accordingly. So we should negotiate accordingly.

“Fixed it for ya.”


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