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WHACKMASTER 01-17-2023 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by Lewbronski (Post 3573354)
Yep. No one outside of SWAPA knows for sure.

Having said that, my three guesses are:
  • There’s still not a lot of enthusiasm for nor very much comprehension of the RLA process within SWAPA. I’m inferring from our late filing for mediation, from the absence of RLA education, and from the fact that our former president made a drive-by on the forum a few months ago proclaiming that he thinks the RLA is essentially pointless (he still holds considerable sway within our pilot group), that there’s a significant portion of the SWAPA BOD, exec’s, and committee members who still believe attempting to leverage the RLA is a waste of time. I’m sure they are also hearing from members, like ElonMusk, who help reinforce that idea in their minds.
  • They have polling data to support that a SAV right now wouldn’t turn out well.
  • Similar to my first guess above, I wouldn’t be surprised that a lot of SWAPA pilots are contacting SWAPA warning SWAPA that they better not take a SAV because, given the deep lack of RLA understanding within our pilot group, many of them probably believe that a successful SAV would mean that we’re going on strike sometime soon. That terrifies them because they think if we went on strike, we’d be out of work for a long time (BTW, the median length of a mainline airline pilot strike over the last 26 years is four days), and because, in their minds, it flies in the face of SWA’s “luv” and “coheart” culture.
It’s a combination of all of them but more so the second and third point.

Palmtree Pilot 01-17-2023 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Zard (Post 3573631)
I can’t stand koolies.
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3573633)
Koolies and probies still believe Nuts! is real and BoJo loves them....

The Koolie (and starting think SWAPA's) theme song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abrn8aVQ76Q
Well… this kind of bashing of your own pilots is going to help the cause. Maybe try educating them instead.

I’m a probie, and I didn’t drink even a drop. Granted, 7 companies in 22 years can have that affect, but there were quite a few in my new hire that were on 2nd or 3rd airline and weren’t drinking it either. Now, the fresh mil and corp types were a little thirsty, but I’ve already seen some come around. I’m inside of my last 20 years of this and I starting to think the younger generation’s entitlement and lack of the last 20 years of F’d up airlines and unions is good, cause a lot of them think we deserve much more than we are getting.

WHACKMASTER 01-17-2023 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by normalperson (Post 3573673)
Absolutely none that I personally know or went through training with
Plenty will be voting with their feet before long if this keeps up. Check the last class size
The last two classes were small. As in less than 30. Were they planned that way? I keep preaching that them not being able to fill classes is big leverage for us.

WHACKMASTER 01-17-2023 07:10 PM
Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 3573684)
Well… this kind of bashing of your own pilots is going to help the cause. Maybe try educating them instead.

I’m a probie, and I didn’t drink even a drop. Granted, 7 companies in 22 years can have that affect, but there were quite a few in my new hire that were on 2nd or 3rd airline and weren’t drinking it either. Now, the fresh mil and corp types were a little thirsty, but I’ve already seen some come around. I’m inside of my last 20 years of this and I starting to think the younger generation’s entitlement and lack of the last 20 years of F’d up airlines and unions is good, cause a lot of them think we deserve much more than we are getting.
Welcome. It’s really great to have “your kind” around here.

Palmtree Pilot 01-17-2023 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3573685)
The last two classes were small. As in less than 30. Were they planned that way? I keep preaching that them not being able to fill classes is big leverage for us.
They told us last year is was to be 40 a week

WHACKMASTER 01-17-2023 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 3573687)
They told us last year is was to be 40 a week
I screenshot the last update to class sizes for 2023 but I’ll be damned if I can find it now. Class size was variable.

RJSAviator76 01-17-2023 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 3573684)
Well… this kind of bashing of your own pilots is going to help the cause. Maybe try educating them instead.
Gotta be willing to be educated and listen. I ran into some guy last week sporting a Flight Ops lanyard. When I offered him a red/black SWAPA lanyard, he was all.... "Ohh, uhhh... I already have one." And you guys and gals have a vote....


I’m a probie, and I didn’t drink even a drop. Granted, 7 companies in 22 years can have that affect, but there were quite a few in my new hire that were on 2nd or 3rd airline and weren’t drinking it either. Now, the fresh mil and corp types were a little thirsty, but I’ve already seen some come around. I’m inside of my last 20 years of this and I starting to think the younger generation’s entitlement and lack of the last 20 years of F’d up airlines and unions is good, cause a lot of them think we deserve much more than we are getting.
Let's hope so, but given what I've seen so far, I'm not holding my breath.

Upstateny 01-18-2023 03:01 AM
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3573691)
I screenshot the last update to class sizes for 2023 but I’ll be damned if I can find it now. Class size was variable.
40 in my class, we are in our second week. Half of the class including myself wears the SWAPA lanyard. Yeah the kool aid is being served and we choke it down. I chose Southwest because it his a lot of potential. The lack of contract is the big unknown. My hope is that if we stand strong we will get a good contract and because of the meltdown things will change operationally. If not I’m getting a free 737 type in a pretty nice training center. I don’t have seniority keeping me here.
I will say one thing, the company works hard to sell themselves and to try to keep the kult-ure alive, SWAPAon the other hand has made no attempt in communication or education which is disappointing. With so much at stake and 40 pilots starting a week you’d think they would be trying to educate the newbs.
We’ll see what happens, I’m hoping for the best and trying to keep a positive attitude. Have faith, us koolaid drinkers aren’t stupid.

Palmtree Pilot 01-18-2023 03:21 AM
Originally Posted by Upstateny (Post 3573819)
40 in my class, we are in our second week. Half of the class including myself wears the SWAPA lanyard. Yeah the kool aid is being served and we choke it down. I chose Southwest because it his a lot of potential. The lack of contract is the big unknown. My hope is that if we stand strong we will get a good contract and because of the meltdown things will change operationally. If not I’m getting a free 737 type in a pretty nice training center. I don’t have seniority keeping me here.
I will say one thing, the company works hard to sell themselves and to try to keep the kult-ure alive, SWAPAon the other hand has made no attempt in communication or education which is disappointing. With so much at stake and 40 pilots starting a week you’d think they would be trying to educate the newbs.
We’ll see what happens, I’m hoping for the best and trying to keep a positive attitude. Have faith, us koolaid drinkers aren’t stupid.
YES! THIS IS A MAJOR FAILURE on SWAPA part! You are there for 53 days and SWAPA spends exactly 2 HOURS with you basically trying to convince you to contribute more of your measly pay check to LTD, a pilot fund and the PAC. IT”S ABSOLUTELY Pathetic. Work it out with the company to PS the pilots home on day 55 and spend day 54 to educate the newbies on the contract and answer questions.

MAJOR FAILURE

WHACKMASTER 01-18-2023 03:55 AM
New Hires, it pains me to read that SWAPA is not more engaged with you guys especially at this critical juncture with our contract.

Change is on the way. Apparently they took one of our pilot’s suggestions on the SWAPA forum (everyone should be at least reading that forum) and there will now be more engagement with NHs. When I get the chance I’ll go ahead and pull that info from there and post it here.

Very happy to hear that at least half are wearing the SWAPA lanyard.


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