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e6bpilot 11-18-2022 02:53 PM

Contract Expectations
 
On the whole JA thing -
VDT would solve the JA problem. Put it out for voluntary double time prior to assigning JA. That along with double rigs would ensure almost nobody would ever work a day off against their will unless they got stuck at an outstation (it happens).

There should be no concessions or give backs during this contract. This is the one where we make the big gains. Listen to the SWAPA number podcast with the industry analyst where he lays out the current negotiating climate.

Retirement, pay, disability, parking, uniforms, food, hotels, the list goes on. It should all be outstanding or we should be voting no.

It looks like DL is going to get their turn in the barrel soon. I suspect their TA1 is going to be leaps and bounds above anything that we would have achieved on our own. Our timing is actually working to our advantage this time.

RJSAviator76 11-18-2022 04:58 PM

I just realized something and I was dead wrong when I said I’d need at least 35% to consider voting yes.

The company showed what it’s willing to pay in the MOU last year. That needs to be the guidance with regards to pay rates.

Crockrocket95 11-18-2022 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3534213)
I just realized something and I was dead wrong when I said I’d need at least 35% to consider voting yes.

The company showed what it’s willing to pay in the MOU last year. That needs to be the guidance with regards to pay rates.

Theres a thread somewhere in this forum about a regional guy making 47K in a one month. Yeah. Our ask is now pretty dang high.

mulcher 11-19-2022 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3534213)
I just realized something and I was dead wrong when I said I’d need at least 35% to consider voting yes.

The company showed what it’s willing to pay in the MOU last year. That needs to be the guidance with regards to pay rates.

Glad you see that error. Lol. But yeah 35% was too low.

Profane Kahuna 11-20-2022 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Champeen07 (Post 3532631)
Am I the only one that gets more annoyed every time one of the regionals announces a new contract with high pay rates? Only because I feel like the rates that will be presented to us wont even come close to matching it. Hell even a 50% raise for the first couple year guys would still be less than the regional captains are making.

A rising tide lifts all boats.


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WHACKMASTER 11-20-2022 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3534899)
A rising tide lifts all boats.


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Agreed, but it is still maddening to have watch the bull$7!t shenanigans that Carl & company have pulled in the last 2.5 years of negotiations. Fortunately, the mediator is having a positive effect on the playing nice.

Profane Kahuna 11-20-2022 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3534953)
Agreed, but it is still maddening to have watch the bull$7!t shenanigans that Carl & company have pulled in the last 2.5 years of negotiations. Fortunately, the mediator is having a positive effect on the playing nice.

Yes, we agree.

But this discussion is not about Carl.

The question was do we get mad when regionals get big pay raises?

I say rejoice! Good for them. The price for an hour of time at the career destination airlines just went up. Thank you regional pilots for fighting the good fight!

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WHACKMASTER 11-20-2022 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3535020)
Yes, we agree.

But this discussion is not about Carl.

The question was do we get mad when regionals get big pay raises?

I say rejoice! Good for them. The price for an hour of time at the career destination airlines just went up. Thank you regional pilots for fighting the good fight!

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Oh I agree. I am happy for them, but now it’s high time we get ours.

hoover 11-20-2022 06:48 PM

Flew with a cappy that thought there is no way we'd get released etc. Had to did into my lew posts to show him we absolutely could and how we need to not give in to anything we dont want. HOLD FAST!

Profane Kahuna 11-20-2022 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3532688)
Completely agree. A regional lifer I know from a past life was bragging that he makes more than me with his check airman override etc. I’m happy for him, but from a recruiting perspective that is just terrible for us.

I love the smell of leverage in the morning.....smells like victory!

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