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at6d 12-15-2022 09:42 PM

Yes agreed…negotiate accordingly so we are paid accordingly.

bull 12-16-2022 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Rseat (Post 3552479)
I’ll try to give you my honest assessment.

While you fly two legs per week on your “more expensive” heavy, assuming you’re a line holder, I fly about ten on my Lil “cheaper” Guppy. ​​​​Even while on reserve, we’re still very likely to fly those average ten legs on our side. Do you fly a trip every week while you’re on reserve at your airline? I’m going to make an educated guess and say, no. By that assumption, I’m probably more efficient for my company.

We never have the necessity nor the “luxury,” of having to go to the box to get our landing currency! If you’re doing that on our side, you’re costing the company quite a bit of money not physically being in the cockpit generating revenue! Our company dislikes that very strongly. As long as they pay me my worth and protect the business going forward, they can run it as they see fit.

Our business models are very different. That’s not to say one is better or worse than the other, just different. Our streamline and often efficient operation, allows our company to enjoy savings that others may not. That in combination with my hard work, allows them to generate a healthy balance sheet year over year. Tell me, if I could negotiate compensation similar to that of your wide bodies’ while possibly generating similar revenue, how does that hurt anyone else’s interests? Ever heard of, “a tide raises all boats?”

Regardless, you and I get what we negotiate. And, this is no longer your Daddy’s negotiating cycles of years past. If it was, there wouldn’t be Regional pilots making 300k plus money as we speak. Good on them!! Our side has different elephants in the room to address. Otherwise, we risk becoming a revolving door, where flying with seasoned FOs would be like a Sasquatch sighting! This I believe, could eventually have a direct affect on my QOL and stress levels while at work.

Makes complete sense…thank you for posting

ClncClarence 12-18-2022 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Sluggo_63 (Post 3551451)
I was about to say this.

I was at United before my current gig. On a 747 going from ORD-NRT, the belly freight would pay for the flight, plus one million dollars in profit.

Lol which hotel bus driver gave you these numbers?

Palmtree Pilot 01-16-2023 06:43 PM

I think Delta’s AIP 737-700/800 rates for 2026 seem fair.

flyguy81 01-16-2023 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 3572881)
I think Delta’s AIP 737-700/800 rates for 2026 seem fair.

We carry about as many people on a -800 as they do on their 757. We shouldn’t be negotiating for less than that.

Palmtree Pilot 01-16-2023 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 3572923)
We carry about as many people on a -800 as they do on their 757. We shouldn’t be negotiating for less than that.

I can get down with the 737-900 or 757 rates on the 2026 table to. Per diem $3.50/hr to $4.00 by the next amendable date as inflation of food prices on top of the inflated airport and hotel prices deserve nothing less. 20-22% direct contributions instead of profit sharing.

Lewbronski 01-16-2023 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 3572936)
I can get down with the 737-900 or 757 rates on the 2026 table to. Per diem $3.50/hr to $4.00 by the next amendable date as inflation of food prices on top of the inflated airport and hotel prices deserve nothing less. 20-22% direct contributions instead of profit sharing.

At the end of a career, a SWA pilot flying their line has to have earned more pay and built a larger retirement nest egg with our contractual retirement language than pilots at any other airline on Earth, narrow body or wide body, for me to vote yes. That is a perfectly reasonable way to approach our contract negotiations.

There are a number of other items that are also show-stoppers for me, like disability, retiree medical, sick leave accrual, hotel language, rigs, tail change language, and transportation - to name a few.

Zman81 01-17-2023 07:09 AM

Who thinks we will even see a contract this year ? I honestly think it won’t be till 2024 if we are lucky.

Champeen07 01-17-2023 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Zman81 (Post 3573181)
Who thinks we will even see a contract this year ? I honestly think it won’t be till 2024 if we are lucky.

Its definitely trending in that direction. But honestly I think that once Delta TA passes, and SWAPA holds a SAV, and then the media writes stories about how SWA pilots are going to strike, that the big dogs say enough is enough and get it done. My guess is that's towards the end of the summer until we see good progress and maybe a TA around the new year.

WHACKMASTER 01-17-2023 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Zman81 (Post 3573181)
Who thinks we will even see a contract this year ? I honestly think it won’t be till 2024 if we are lucky.

That all depends on how much pressure we exert on them.


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