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Old 12-14-2022 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Those are common types with differences (for pilot qualification purposes).

A few different switches and knobs, and some behind-the-scenes systems differences don't really alter the fundamental character of cockpit operations.

It seems to be assumed (reasonably IMO) that an EICAS system would so fundamentally alter the process for handling abnormals/emergencies that it would probably need to be a different type. Or if not, the differences training would be very substantial.

Even a common type with differences doesn't guarantee that an airline will be allowed by it's CMO to operate a single fleet, and not all airlines would necessarily want to. Even the CRJ 200 and 700/900 were operated as separate fleets by some airlines, even though it's all one type rating
You go from seeing a master caution, looking at the recall/annunciation lights to see which panel on the overhead to look at and calling for the appropriate QRH checklist, to seeing a master caution, reading the EICAS msg on the upper DU to calling for the for the correct QRH check list. One less step, DONE differences training complete.



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I believe they also used the Max7 as a test plane to bring the Max8 back into service after it was grounded.
They did. The video is on Utube of the flight with a big 7 on the tail.
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Old 12-14-2022 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Would you give them relative seniority too, Whack?
There goes this thread
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Old 12-14-2022 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Would you give them relative seniority too, Whack?
DOH & no bump/no flush.
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Old 12-14-2022 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
I have a CE-680 type rating that I got for the Citation Latitude, which has a very modern Garmin avionics suite with EICAS. But the rating was originally for the Citation Sovereign, which uses an older non-EICAS Honeywell setup. So the precedent for a common type is absolutely there.
Same deal with the Gulfstream. The GV type covered 450, 550 and classic V (a dinosaur). We flew all 3 types, sometimes in the same day. Differences training should be enough.
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Old 12-15-2022 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot
You go from seeing a master caution, looking at the recall/annunciation lights to see which panel on the overhead to look at and calling for the appropriate QRH checklist, to seeing a master caution, reading the EICAS msg on the upper DU to calling for the for the correct QRH check list. One less step, DONE differences training complete.





They did. The video is on Utube of the flight with a big 7 on the tail.
Not to mention schematics of the systems showing the actual conditions of lines, valves, buses and switches
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Old 12-15-2022 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
Not to mention schematics of the systems showing the actual conditions of lines, valves, buses and switches
not all EICAS are created the same…
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Old 12-15-2022 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
not all EICAS are created the same…
True but at the very LEAST we should be able to display flight control position on the lower DU. I believe the Navy 737s have that capability along with brake temperature.
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Old 12-15-2022 | 05:30 AM
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Here’s the brake temp synoptic.
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Old 12-15-2022 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
True but at the very LEAST we should be able to display flight control position on the lower DU. I believe the Navy 737s have that capability along with brake temperature.
brake temperature…be careful what you ask for!
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Old 12-15-2022 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
brake temperature…be careful what you ask for!
Good point. I’ll settle for flight control position indicators. Not that I don’t trust the maintainers, but would be nice to know when we do the flight control check that not only are the controls free, but also correct.
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