RJSAviator76

Whack, do you make your best decisions when you're overly emotional?

Follow along...

We are angry and want better implementation so we vote no and shoot down this TA. Now, start the clock... NC resigns because they will have missed the mark. Start looking for new NC. Tick-tock. Form new NC. Then start the polling process again as to why the TA failed and while some will say retro, or rates, a number will say implementation... tick-tock... we're gonna parade IT experts to get a no-BS implementation timeframe, which the company won't agree to until they have a ratified agreement. Tick-tock... Go back to hammering out a new contract, but now add a few things changes that the company wants. Mind you, this is not even bringing back the mediator yet... Tick-tock.

How much time has elapsed so far? A year? Woohoo... it's Jan 2025 and we have TA2. Yeah, that 2 year implementation from TA1 that you object to? You spent a year to improve the implementation by 6 months. Woohoo!!! Winning! It took rejection of the original TA to come to realization that the company will not put any money into implementing an unratified agreement. How much time has passed since our temper tantrum NO vote over implementation?

Meanwhile, God-forbid, 2 months after our rejection of this TA, you're driving home from work one night and you get T-boned. Fortunately, you survive but are pretty mangled up and will require surgeries and physical therapy to get back to work. You used to make around 35k/month under current contract, but are now down to $6000/mo until LTD since you're a Tranny and you don't carry any sick leave balance. Finally, after 6 months, you get back up to 13,500, but you get nothing for NEC and retirement and you have 15 years left... Damn, that's gonna leave a hole at best. Oh wait, you're also gonna be paying for COBRA out of that and waiting for quarterly SWAPA reimbursement.

At that point, you may be having some thoughts about having a do-over on that tantrum vote, and the answer will be "Sorry... we're still forming up the new NC." Then you do what we all do and play the what-if game by looking at what would have happened had you not allowed your emotions to cloud your judgment... instead of being capped at $13,500, your MBE would have gotten you $22,500; your health insurance would remain unchanged, you would have an additional life insurance policy, and your NEC would keep flowing to fund your retirement. Say it takes you 2 years to get back to work, man, was the tantrum vote NO over implementation worth all this and then only to be told that you spent a year to gain 6 months in implementation but starting a year later?

It's kinda like getting mad and frustrated at something, so instead of working through it, you decide to smash it into smithereens and now it's gonna cost you a lot more time and money to just get back to where you were. But sure felt good at the time you decided to smash the offending item.

Emotion vs. reason, Whack... it's just like in our political system - don't fall for the emotion, use logic.

hoover

or its voted down. Swapa polls membership to find out why and if NC needs to be replaced. Polls show it's a few sticking points and wants NC to continue their good work. They meet with the comapny and hash it out quickly because everyone wants a deal, including wall street, and its done in a month.
there are QOL items in implementation that dont even require any tech that's yrs out that can be fixed now.

ZapBrannigan

The schedule execution podcast was excellent.

A lot I was unaware of. For example, Whackmaster and others have stated that they go to work to make money, and chaos pays.

it looks like there is still the opportunity for that to happen. There will eventually be two preferences in CWA that interact directly with Skysolver.

One is a preference to be returned within the original footprint of the trip. Right now the solver only looks at the last iteration of a trip to try and get you back to it. If this preference is selected, solver will look back to the original trip, and prioritize getting you back within that footprint.

The second says, "If you can't get me back within the footprint, then get me back same day." Same philosophy, but you just want to be back the same day. So maybe you want to take advantage of that double time LCO for getting back late, but still need to be off tomorrow. You try this.

Finally you can deselect both options and the solver will just use you however it needs to - in that case chaos pays.

They made sure to mention that these simply change how solver looks at the recovery pairing compared to the original trip - and how it prioritizes legal and available pilots. It's not a guarantee. For example if your domicile shuts down because it's below minimums they can't get you back. Or if the last flight of the night cancels... stuff like that there isn't much they can do about.

golfandflows

done in a month?? Ha I want what you’re smoking

RJSAviator76

I know if I were on the NC, and I spent years conducting polls, education pieces, compiling data, arguing with the company, re-polling, and rechecking, 1200+ days since amendable date only to get the failing grade by those I'm charged to negotiate for? Nope, I'm not the man for the job. I DGAF what anyone says... I'm leaving. I have zero doubt our current NC would leave too.

ZapBrannigan

Can you give some examples? I’m looking at the implementation schedule now and having a tough time finding something that doesn’t require a change to CWA either on our end or the company systems on the back end.

PowerShift

Sure. I believe what ever raise or snap up we obtained is due back to the date the old contract expired. Sept of 2020 our contract expired. I've been working for 3.5 yrs and being paid at 2016 prices. And so have you. 2016-2020 the company should have been negotiating in good faith to have a contract ready for a vote by August 2020.

let's assume a yearly wage of 200k and a 20% raise, with 4% per / yr after.
2021 - 200kx20% = 40k (2021 value = + 40k)
2022 - 240k x 4% = 9.6k (2022 value = + 49.6k)
2023 - 249.6 x 4% = 10k (2023 value = + 59.6k)

So for 3 yrs without a raise of 20% and 4% per, you have lost 149k

15% NEC on 149k = 22.5k

Total loss over 3 yrs = 171.5k

I used 20% for simple math and for example. The real numbers are higher. Pays to slow walk a contract, drag it out and make you pay for your own raise. I didn't add 2020, but if you did that would put the number even higher. When you look at your retro check, just think about what it cost you.

This will be a 8-9 yr contract after the 5 yrs life and the 4 yrs they drag it out there after. I don't know what the market will bring in 8 yrs but history tells me we will be on the back side of the curve, working raise free for 4 yrs.

REF 5

Training bidding is going to taka a while. That platform is definitely from the late 90's tech. I can't even imagine how they get it done now. That was literally in a time when SWA required a type and pc/pt era pre AQP. Of all the tech debt in flight ops, that is the worst of the worst. That has to have bottoms up new platform from scratch. CWA in general is a horrible product. It's not user friendly at all and lacks any real functionality improvements. It's reached its limit. Which leads to vacation changes, which is CWA. Hence why that's going to take a while. I bet nobody in IT at SWA was in even born when that platform was written. The implementation talks must have been a colorful, especially sitting accross the IT guys who have to implement this.

flyguy81

Free WiFi pushed to like Q4 ‘28. Doesn’t require much for that. Some of the rsv stuff is pushed way back and can be done manually so IDK if the date is for full automation.

PowerShift

This. THE COMPANY WANTS THIS DONE. We have more leverage then they do, and they know it. It's not 2008 anymore. I take my dog outside and pull out the tennis ball. He goes nuts and jumps around and barks. He thinks I'm not going to throw the ball because I put it back in my pocket. We play around and I show him the ball. He goes ape ****, then I toss it.

We are the dog. The company is going to throw the ball. No point worrying and going ape **** that they won't. They have been fighting for 4 yrs and them acting and making us think the things they were going to do anyway were huge concessions on there part.