May 2022 LOAs - Good/Bad Discussion
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May 2022 LOAs - Good/Bad Discussion
The new announced LoAs from RWs email (and MECs email) seems worthy of their own discussion thread. There is an union All Pilots call this evening I also plan to attend.
I'm too new to have an opinion or fully understand the ups and downs of this. Hopefully good discussion in the thread will help it make sense for the newbies like me.
Thanks in advance.
I'm too new to have an opinion or fully understand the ups and downs of this. Hopefully good discussion in the thread will help it make sense for the newbies like me.
Thanks in advance.
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40-60 new pilots join Envoy each month and we are mostly focused on getting through IOE. We're just along for the ride on the contract side of things, but curious.
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I wouldn't recommend negotiation either, agree. I am really just curious what the different components are and why they are good or bad. It is easy for a newbie to assure that each of the items are favorable, like PBS. Maybe there are cases where PBS is unfavorable, I just don't know what those cases are or why. Looking at the forums I see a lot of venting with little explanation as to why something is not good as if we are all supposed to just know.
40-60 new pilots join Envoy each month and we are mostly focused on getting through IOE. We're just along for the ride on the contract side of things, but curious.
40-60 new pilots join Envoy each month and we are mostly focused on getting through IOE. We're just along for the ride on the contract side of things, but curious.
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I wouldn't recommend negotiation either, agree. I am really just curious what the different components are and why they are good or bad. It is easy for a newbie to assure that each of the items are favorable, like PBS. Maybe there are cases where PBS is unfavorable, I just don't know what those cases are or why. Looking at the forums I see a lot of venting with little explanation as to why something is not good as if we are all supposed to just know.
40-60 new pilots join Envoy each month and we are mostly focused on getting through IOE. We're just along for the ride on the contract side of things, but curious.
40-60 new pilots join Envoy each month and we are mostly focused on getting through IOE. We're just along for the ride on the contract side of things, but curious.
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I wouldn't recommend negotiation either, agree. I am really just curious what the different components are and why they are good or bad. It is easy for a newbie to assure that each of the items are favorable, like PBS. Maybe there are cases where PBS is unfavorable, I just don't know what those cases are or why. Looking at the forums I see a lot of venting with little explanation as to why something is not good as if we are all supposed to just know.
40-60 new pilots join Envoy each month and we are mostly focused on getting through IOE. We're just along for the ride on the contract side of things, but curious.
40-60 new pilots join Envoy each month and we are mostly focused on getting through IOE. We're just along for the ride on the contract side of things, but curious.
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All of the orientations have been 50-60 per month. Now getting all of them through the training pipeline in one month, that's another issue.
It seems like most of the initial delays are gone though so at least it's trending in the right direction.
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It seems like most of the initial delays are gone though so at least it's trending in the right direction.
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All of the orientations have been 50-60 per month. Now getting all of them through the training pipeline in one month, that's another issue.
It seems like most of the initial delays are gone though so at least it's trending in the right direction.
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It seems like most of the initial delays are gone though so at least it's trending in the right direction.
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I think the last month they hired 60 a month was around 2017. This orientation stuff is not pilots in training.
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