May 2022 LOAs - Good/Bad Discussion
 

The new announced LoAs from RWs email (and MECs email) seems worthy of their own discussion thread. There is an union All Pilots call this evening I also plan to attend.

I'm too new to have an opinion or fully understand the ups and downs of this. Hopefully good discussion in the thread will help it make sense for the newbies like me.

Thanks in advance.

We also should not negotiate in public. It can be used against us later on as the internet is forever.

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I wouldn't recommend negotiation either, agree. I am really just curious what the different components are and why they are good or bad. It is easy for a newbie to assure that each of the items are favorable, like PBS. Maybe there are cases where PBS is unfavorable, I just don't know what those cases are or why. Looking at the forums I see a lot of venting with little explanation as to why something is not good as if we are all supposed to just know.

40-60 new pilots join Envoy each month and we are mostly focused on getting through IOE. We're just along for the ride on the contract side of things, but curious.

Like anything, the rules that go into it make all the difference. So do the trip pairings. The “improvements” outlined in the QOL LOA SHOULD be an improvement, but will likely have an impact on how sequences are built which will likely reduce commutability. The other issue is what will likely change as a result of it. Conflicts will be eliminated, which is soft days off/pay for those senior enough to take advantage of it. Some SWEAR that DTS of trips in conjunction with vacation will go away, but it all depends what is negotiated and the big issue I see is that the LOA is only half complete. Without the PBS part negotiated and defined, no way for anyone to truly decide if the “improvements” are worth it. I specifically put that in quotes because if you’re a commuter and the new PBS sequences are less commutable you will lose that extra day off to commuting. If DTS is taken away, shorter vacations. Conflicts taken away also remove those soft days off/pay.

Be sure to listen to the pilot all call today at 5:00PM central where the MEC will outline the agreements and be available to answer questions. Check your email for details.

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When was the last month Envoy hired 60 in one month?

All of the orientations have been 50-60 per month. Now getting all of them through the training pipeline in one month, that's another issue.

It seems like most of the initial delays are gone though so at least it's trending in the right direction.

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I think the last month they hired 60 a month was around 2017. This orientation stuff is not pilots in training.

So can anyone that recently interviewed verify if they were given an orientation date or a class date? Maybe they're caught up now with the last class of 60.

Interviewed in March, and orientation was last week. No class date yet.