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Originally Posted by enyPSIsc2b
(Post 3424120)
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Anyone who made the call know if the restructured bonus still has 50k contingent on not going below guarantee for two years?
I agree with others saying this won't do anything about attrition. It might work on people with poor impulse control and planning but this profession tends to weed those people out even before the regional paid internship humiliation phase. Losing a day off to the commute on the ends of every trip because of the new rigs could put people on their 12 d/o schedules at 8 or so full days at home. Of course, this is still a luxurious schedule compared to 4-6 days at home losing a d/o on both ends because you start at 0400 on day 1 and get off at 2359 day 5 on eternal reserve. The "fix" if they want to continue to operate this sweatshop is obviously AA #s, at this point I see that or some other radical change directly related to career progression as inevitable and all the rest of this stuff is just goofing. Airline pilots cost more than 40k in 2022. Sorry not sorry. |
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3424157)
Each payment triggers a commitment. That’s the whole point of it being a RETENTION bonus. It does potentially give an opportunity to work some of it off, but the whole idea is to get you hooked on the crack so you stay. Giving you just a nibble of that carrot so you don’t decide you’re just going to starve to death and find somewhere else to feed you, even at the cost of paying back that paltry $30K initial payment.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3424242)
I have offered to help as a negotiator in the past.
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Originally Posted by JustAsking
(Post 3424416)
So I agree with pretty much everything people have been posting, but I'm not sure I understand what the harm is in taking the bonus money, even if you have to repay it a month later. I mean, less than a year ago airlines were sending pilots home, and who knows what next year will bring. Then there's the talk of raising retirement age and/or hiring foreign pilots. Sure, staying at a regional is not the goal, but if you dont take the bonus money this year, and the industry turns to ****, can you still get the money next year (retroactively) if you get stuck?
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 3424315)
Anyone who made the call know if the restructured bonus still has 50k contingent on not going below guarantee for two years?
I agree with others saying this won't do anything about attrition. It might work on people with poor impulse control and planning but this profession tends to weed those people out even before the regional paid internship humiliation phase. Losing a day off to the commute on the ends of every trip because of the new rigs could put people on their 12 d/o schedules at 8 or so full days at home. Of course, this is still a luxurious schedule compared to 4-6 days at home losing a d/o on both ends because you start at 0400 on day 1 and get off at 2359 day 5 on eternal reserve. The "fix" if they want to continue to operate this sweatshop is obviously AA #s, at this point I see that or some other radical change directly related to career progression as inevitable and all the rest of this stuff is just goofing. Airline pilots cost more than 40k in 2022. Sorry not sorry. |
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3424520)
Looks like you have to accept the bonus within a window of the LOA being ratified if already a captain or once you make captain (finish captain IOE). Also if you are already a captain but passed, you can still decide to take it.
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 3424534)
I agree with the point he's making regarding the bonus LOA. Take the money. Even if you plan to go elsewhere. Take the money. You never know, things change and you may end up staying and going to AA. How stupid would be the decision to turn down $150k look then. Even if you decide to leave and have to pay it back, at least it was an option and you're no worse off than not taking it. I don't understand the 'don't take the money' mentality.
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Originally Posted by cr700
(Post 3424474)
LMFAO! The fact that you are almost a decade removed from Envoy and STILL post here as if you're relevant speaks volumes.
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3424538)
haven’t heard anything about the union dues part of you can get that back from the union somehow or if that is just the cost of doing business.
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