Probably time to move vacations after Oct 22 up if you can. I’m sure PBS will slaughter them. God help me hopefully I won’t still be here.

Anyone outside the union say that? I haven't heard any but I'm not a FB warrier. Closest I could fine was one lifer who wasn't sure. But hay! The majority of the communication to the union reps were positive, right? RIGHT!?

There was a timeline question in the All Call Chat. AS addressed it and made it sound like it would be a bit more of a ways off than that without specifying a definite timeline. Personally, I REALLY, hope so. I hope they union fights like crazy to get what they want. And when it becomes clear they won't (and they won't) I hope they take it to arbitration which will take more time. The arbitrator will give the company what they want and stiff the union. Operational needs are important, yah know. Then they'll have to shadow test it and what not. Sounded like later than Oct 22 to me.

And honestly, I'm really hoping I'm gone before it's implemented fully and based on the union response in the call, I think that hope is plausible. I do feel bad for those behind me that have to live with it. At least I now get paid my unused sick pay when I leave! I mean, I guess they will too if they hang on for AA but those left behind will also have to deal with a sub par PBS deal to make up for it.


P.S. For all you dopes (union said there was a lot of you) that told the union to vote yes, I say thank you for giving me the sick payout! ;-) I hope you find the transition the PBS better than I think you will.

Taking bets on how long management drags their feet once this that LOA is passed

Isn’t it already passed?

LOA passed.

And to be clear, my post was specifically about PBS. Without going back and re-reading the QOL LOA, I think everything else had a specific ‘no later than’ date attached to it. And well, yah know the company never misses such dates so you can count on that! ;-)

I seriously doubt the PBS implementation will be much past October UNLESS the negotiators can push it to arbitration. A lot of folks say you can’t have ANY conflicts with PBS. But, sounds like it CAN, if it is a feature agreed upon. The company wants this because it can gain them about a ten percent efficiency overall. Obviously the senior pilots are the ones that have the most to lose, because they are the ones that have the seniority to consistently bid for the conflicts that get that soft pay. I would venture to say that one of the most common comments (complaints) is losing the ability to DTS for vacation. If that is what everyone (majority) REALLY wants, then contact the union reps and let them know. If the negotiators stick to their guns that’s what they want then force it to arbitration.

Well sure, you can put in rules that mimic what is gained by conflict bidding. But that defeats what makes it more efficient. Why would the company want PBS if there’s no efficiency gain? Something’s gotta give.

Agreed. But my point is what is the most important thing to the most people? Without input, the union doesn’t have anything to go on. How much they actually get and how long it takes is definitely something else.

As a side note, they’re making fun of us here:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/r...ml#post3427558