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Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 3760462)
100% agree. We are flying pressurized metal tubes through the sky at nearly the speed of sound, all over the world, day/night and practically any weather, and it’s the safest known form of transportation in the world. Boeing is doing something right. We need to figure out the root cause of the bolts not being installed, fix it, and apply that lesson. Aviation just got even safer.
Pratt is getting a lot of backlash for its 321NEO engine recall. The reason why Pratt has the issue is because they pushed the boundaries of technology and built the best jet engines on the planet. Building a modern jet engine is hard. China can’t even build anything close to the modern day jet engines that Pratt, GE, Rolls Royce, and CFM produce. Would we rather stick with old technology that burns way more fuel, or would we rather have top of the line technology and deal with the occasional recall to make it even safer? Companies like Boeing, Pratt, etc… are literally scheduling inventions. Let’s cut them a little slack when they need to take a delay to make things safer. |
Originally Posted by 170Till5
(Post 3760972)
yet they can’t secure a nut when installing a door
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 3761098)
Let's not forget the FOD left in some airplanes during production. No one's going to convince me that Boeing is anything other than a 💩show in its present state.
Never mind that any certified mechanic could go to jail for doing what these clowns have been doing for years... You read the part about the spirit "re-work" where instead of repairing/replacing improperly installed rivets, they simply painted over them to hide the substandard work? That kind of thing deserves jail time but they're getting away with that without any consequences at all. The only thing that surprises me is that congress hasn't shut down the entire 737 production line on the basis of the whistleblower's letter. It's apparently all fully documented so justification for the shutdown and a list of people to face charges shouldn't be too hard to find. |
Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 3761112)
This. Having to inspect every square millimeter of every structure built by Spirit because they can't be trusted, having a flawed repair system that can't even decide whether pulling a door plug is "removing" or "opening", then quibbling over that distinction so long that they forget to track the event and don't even inspect the re-work... Complete process failure, caused and compounded by a panicked leadership pushing an unrealistic timeline. 100% of the pressure needs to be on getting structures and sub-systems delivered that actually meet specifications, not pressuring the assembly line to accomplish a mountain of re-work in such a hurry that they quibble over whether or not the re-work needs an inspection or not.
Never mind that any certified mechanic could go to jail for doing what these clowns have been doing for years... You read the part about the spirit "re-work" where instead of repairing/replacing improperly installed rivets, they simply painted over them to hide the substandard work? That kind of thing deserves jail time but they're getting away with that without any consequences at all. The only thing that surprises me is that congress hasn't shut down the entire 737 production line on the basis of the whistleblower's letter. It's apparently all fully documented so justification for the shutdown and a list of people to face charges shouldn't be too hard to find. |
Maybe moving headquarters back to where they make the airplanes would be a good start.
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
(Post 3761204)
Just late stage capitalism. Cut costs and quality and just raise prices. Boeing needs to be taken private so Wall Street is not an influence
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
(Post 3761204)
Just late stage capitalism. Cut costs and quality and just raise prices. Boeing needs to be taken private so Wall Street is not an influence
can’t suckle at the teat of government from the left coast. Gotta be snuggled up right next to the DOD movers and shakers if you want those fat cat defense contracts to keep on rolling in regardless of how bad your products are. |
Consider Societal regression and de-evolution as root causes.
FAA has a talent supply/pool problem. By exception the aviation industrys best talent selects other career options other than the FAA. The FAA doesn't contain the core competencies that industry has. Why would they, they are oversight?Often times (actually in 99% of the cases) Industry is responsible to develop and train the FAA compentency especially on specialized skill sets. They're in no position to be oversight, but other than to be political bobble heads that sway to the breeze that blows. It's blowing a full gale towards Witch Burning at the moment, and so here we are. How about SWA Leadership heavily shunting development of a modern narrowbody, where's that accountability. Ah yes, years after The Man has his millions and is far removed from the crime scene. Now Herbs airline can't grow. Geez, that is really unfortunate. But I got minez you see. How about selling jets to countries that have less competence, where the pilot shortage, safety culture, and cockpit authority gradient lines intersected onto crash scenes that couldve been avoided by turning off the autothrottles, autopilot and electric trim systems. These are the really seemingly difficult politically divisive truths that aren't being discussed. So here we are. |
Originally Posted by Caveman
(Post 3762279)
Consider Societal regression and de-evolution as root causes.
FAA has a talent supply/pool problem. By exception the aviation industrys best talent selects other career options other than the FAA. The FAA doesn't contain the core competencies that industry has. Why would they, they are oversight?Often times (actually in 99% of the cases) Industry is responsible to develop and train the FAA compentency especially on specialized skill sets. They're in no position to be oversight, but other than to be political bobble heads that sway to the breeze that blows. It's blowing a full gale towards Witch Burning at the moment, and so here we are. How about SWA Leadership heavily shunting development of a modern narrowbody, where's that accountability. Ah yes, years after The Man has his millions and is far removed from the crime scene. Now Herbs airline can't grow. Geez, that is really unfortunate. But I got minez you see. How about selling jets to countries that have less competence, where the pilot shortage, safety culture, and cockpit authority gradient lines intersected onto crash scenes that couldve been avoided by turning off the autothrottles, autopilot and electric trim systems. These are the really seemingly difficult politically divisive truths that aren't being discussed. So here we are. |
Originally Posted by Caveman
(Post 3762279)
Consider Societal regression and de-evolution as root causes.
FAA has a talent supply/pool problem. By exception the aviation industrys best talent selects other career options other than the FAA. The FAA doesn't contain the core competencies that industry has. Why would they, they are oversight?Often times (actually in 99% of the cases) Industry is responsible to develop and train the FAA compentency especially on specialized skill sets. They're in no position to be oversight, but other than to be political bobble heads that sway to the breeze that blows. It's blowing a full gale towards Witch Burning at the moment, and so here we are. How about SWA Leadership heavily shunting development of a modern narrowbody, where's that accountability. Ah yes, years after The Man has his millions and is far removed from the crime scene. Now Herbs airline can't grow. Geez, that is really unfortunate. But I got minez you see. How about selling jets to countries that have less competence, where the pilot shortage, safety culture, and cockpit authority gradient lines intersected onto crash scenes that couldve been avoided by turning off the autothrottles, autopilot and electric trim systems. These are the really seemingly difficult politically divisive truths that aren't being discussed. So here we are. The Federal Aviation Administration is actively recruiting workers who suffer “severe intellectual” disabilities, psychiatric problems and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website. “Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the Federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring,” the FAA’s website states. “They include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism.” The initiative is part of the FAA’s “Diversity and Inclusion” hiring plan, which claims “diversity is integral to achieving FAA’s mission of ensuring safe and efficient travel across our nation and beyond.” So I went to the FAA website... surely this must be cherry-picked. Well, here it is on the FAA website: https://www.faa.gov/ pwdp I'm so glad that our Chinese friends for example are all embracing this virtuous philosophy, and not just in aviation sectors, but also the military. I feel so elated that PLAAF or Chinese Air Force is all about ensuring their women and transgender pilots feel included and that their maternity flight suits can also apply to those who also identify as women, and PLAN or the Chinese Navy is also on the major inclusivity push to keep up with us and all of them have significantly ramped up their DEI goals to match the might of the USAF and USN, particularly in those areas. But see, we're still leading this race because we enable kids to identify as something other than what they were born with, and unlike the Chinese who are still years behind us in this regard, we nurture and encourage our kids and future warfighters to be nimble and flexible with their identities. What a time to be alive! |
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