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RJSAviator76 01-28-2024 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by OverUnderDone (Post 3759933)
As someone who jumped over from 91/135 after 20 yrs yearning for this - the 'baggage' that comes with this shiny new corp jet and it's fancy cockpit isn't worth it...ever.

I'm looking forward to flying a dated 737 for the next 20+ yrs until I retire and open an island beach bar somewhere in the Caribbean.


Thank you! 🍻

And that's my point... this "60's turd" pays too well to gripe and complain about it. And no, it's not a death trap either. Any airplane in the hands of incompetent pilots is a potential death trap. Take a B-777 on a clear day with zero malfunctions and an ILS on your intended runway being out of service....

Boeing does need to get their QC and their house in order, hands down... but pipe down the drama, hyperbole and clickbait.

170Till5 01-28-2024 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3759938)
Thank you! 🍻

And that's my point... this "60's turd" pays too well to gripe and complain about it. And no, it's not a death trap either. Any airplane in the hands of incompetent pilots is a potential death trap. Take a B-777 on a clear day with zero malfunctions and an ILS on your intended runway being out of service....

Boeing does need to get their QC and their house in order, hands down... but pipe down the drama, hyperbole and clickbait.

LOL Boeing has even admitted they need to improve their quality control.. go watch a couple documentaries about Boeing. The documentary from 2013, “The Boeing 787: Broken Dreams” showed 10 out of 15 workers saying they would not fly on a 787 due to the quality control / it’s a POS. Boeing cares more about Wall Street share holders than they do safety and they don’t care about pilots, hence why they change things without even showing it in the manual. Boeing’s golden days are long gone

Zard 01-28-2024 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3759992)
LOL Boeing has even admitted they need to improve their quality control.. go watch a couple documentaries about Boeing. The documentary from 2013, “The Boeing 787: Broken Dreams” showed 10 out of 15 workers saying they would not fly on a 787 due to the quality control / it’s a POS. Boeing cares more about Wall Street share holders than they do safety and they don’t care about pilots, hence why they change things without even showing it in the manual. Boeing’s golden days are long gone


Until some Boeing execs and managers end up in jail for a chunk of time for manslaughter, nothing will change.

170Till5 01-28-2024 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Zard (Post 3760001)
Until some Boeing execs and managers end up in jail for a chunk of time for manslaughter, nothing will change.

100% agree, they need to be held liable. there are no consequences for their negligence. Doesn’t help they have so much influence with the FAA, I’m glad that’s starting to change. FAA looks like a joke right now that’s been bought out

CA1900 01-28-2024 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by OverUnderDone (Post 3759933)
As someone who jumped over from 91/135 after 20 yrs yearning for this - the 'baggage' that comes with this shiny new corp jet and it's fancy cockpit isn't worth it...ever.

After too many years at a fractional, I feel the same way. I liked the cockpit of the last plane I flew, but I don't miss the job one bit. I quickly got tired of the erratic circadian rhythms, the constant fatigue, the airplane cleaning/stocking, chasing down ground transportation, the endless expense reports, and so on. I spent far more time outside the cockpit doing the ancillary work than I did flying it.

RJSAviator76 01-28-2024 10:28 AM

Personally, I'm not impressed with any internet "experts" and people who claim they "wouldn't get on the xyz plane" because of ABC. They're usually full of doodoo...

I have a very difficult time taking people, who during time of a respiratory illness and flu-like symptoms, made run on stores and depleted the country of, are you ready for this, THE TOILET PAPER! Not vitamins, not severe cold/flu medications, not Zinc... TOILET PAPER! The vitamin and medicines aisle was literally untouched. And all because some boob wrote something on social media that spread like wildfire and the sheeple went after it. Pardon me, but common sense has departed this country a decade or two ago because people are no longer capable to think for themselves. MAX aircraft fly how many hours every DAY? With what accident rate? Or incident rate?

These same people are the same idiots who will happily "forget" their proclamations about "never getting on xyz aircraft" if the price is right, and they'll do it albeit without the similar fanfare as their initial proclamations. Case in point - our MAX aircraft usually tend to get very full and no one gives two feces about it.

Lastly, the 737 has had far worse issues i.e. hardover rudder. Yet we didn't ground it. We fixed it. We addressed it. We didn't ground fleets. We didn't shut down airlines over it. We didn't give every freak a podium and a bullhorn. But now we do... because clickbait sells, and thanks to clickbait nonsense, the standard now is 'Never shall anything ever break or malfunction, for if it does, the whole thing is unsafe.' And self-appointed experts, i.e. useful idiots, are propagating this in the form of further clickbait.

Maybe I'm just getting old and have zero time and no tolerance for self-proclaimed experts who have absolutely ZERO clue about what they're talking about, even if they are from Delta Air Lines.

170Till5 01-28-2024 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3760077)
Personally, I'm not impressed with any internet "experts" and people who claim they "wouldn't get on the xyz plane" because of ABC. They're usually full of doodoo...

I have a very difficult time taking people, who during time of a respiratory illness and flu-like symptoms, made run on stores and depleted the country of, are you ready for this, THE TOILET PAPER! Not vitamins, not severe cold/flu medications, not Zinc... TOILET PAPER! The vitamin and medicines aisle was literally untouched. And all because some boob wrote something on social media that spread like wildfire and the sheeple went after it. Pardon me, but common sense has departed this country a decade or two ago because people are no longer capable to think for themselves. MAX aircraft fly how many hours every DAY? With what accident rate? Or incident rate?

These same people are the same idiots who will happily "forget" their proclamations about "never getting on xyz aircraft" if the price is right, and they'll do it albeit without the similar fanfare as their initial proclamations. Case in point - our MAX aircraft usually tend to get very full and no one gives two feces about it.

Lastly, the 737 has had far worse issues i.e. hardover rudder. Yet we didn't ground it. We fixed it. We addressed it. We didn't ground fleets. We didn't shut down airlines over it. We didn't give every freak a podium and a bullhorn. But now we do... because clickbait sells, and thanks to clickbait nonsense, the standard now is 'Never shall anything ever break or malfunction, for if it does, the whole thing is unsafe.' And self-appointed experts, i.e. useful idiots, are propagating this in the form of further clickbait.

Maybe I'm just getting old and have zero time and no tolerance for self-proclaimed experts who have absolutely ZERO clue about what they're talking about, even if they are from Delta Air Lines.

Just go read about all the whistle blowers who were engineers and factory workers at Boeing. I’m not an expert either, just someone who thinks Boeing needs to get their act together and is unsafe. And I fly a Boeing. Airlines keep rewarding their negligence to safety. The max product is a train wreck. Once a US Airliner crashes a Max, then there will be change.

RJSAviator76 01-28-2024 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by 170Till5 (Post 3760094)
Just go read about all the whistle blowers who were engineers and factory workers at Boeing. I’m not an expert either, just someone who thinks Boeing needs to get their act together and is unsafe. And I fly a Boeing. Airlines keep rewarding their negligence to safety. The max product is a train wreck. Once an US Airliner crashes a Max, then there will be change.

I've read them all because I make my living flying the MAX... and contrary to click-baiters' opinions, I don't have a deathwish, nor do I have a desire to fly an unairworthy aircraft. Are there QC issues that need to be resolved? Absolutely. Is it worthy of the political theater and revenge? Not even close.

nene 01-28-2024 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3760097)
I've read them all because I make my living flying the MAX... and contrary to click-baiters' opinions, I don't have a deathwish, nor do I have a desire to fly an unairworthy aircraft. Are there QC issues that need to be resolved? Absolutely. Is it worthy of the political theater and revenge? Not even close.

AS pilots thought their plugs were tight until they weren't. Trust is hard thing to regain, it take time.

ZapBrannigan 01-28-2024 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by CA1900 (Post 3760075)
After too many years at a fractional, I feel the same way. I liked the cockpit of the last plane I flew, but I don't miss the job one bit. I quickly got tired of the erratic circadian rhythms, the constant fatigue, the airplane cleaning/stocking, chasing down ground transportation, the endless expense reports, and so on. I spent far more time outside the cockpit doing the ancillary work than I did flying it.

I used to tell people that my airline job is 99% flying and 1% BS.

My corporate job was 99% BS and 1% flying.


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