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Hobbit64 01-25-2024 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3758414)
yes! Was looking at the 195-e2 last night...a definite -700 replacement. And Breeze already operates the 190 and 195

I have always wondered why the A220 'beat' the E195's in orders. I say 'beat' because most companies have ordered the 220's versus the 195's, right? Isn't Breeze transitioning from the 195's to 220's?
I could be wrong/mis-informed, but what is driving the 195's out?

9thAmendment 01-25-2024 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Hobbit64 (Post 3758437)
I have always wondered why the A220 'beat' the E195's in orders. I say 'beat' because most companies have ordered the 220's versus the 195's, right? Isn't Breeze transitioning from the 195's to 220's?
I could be wrong/mis-informed, but what is driving the 195's out?

Its range being a full 1,000nm less is probably the driving factor. I would assume that you couldn’t operate BWI-LAX without a weight restriction when an alternate is required as is the case with our 700s the majority of the time.

9thAmendment 01-25-2024 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3758414)
yes! Was looking at the 195-e2 last night...a definite -700 replacement. And Breeze already operates the 190 and 195

Lets be honest with ourselves - the most likely scenario is that Breeze buys US in 10 years given our refusal to adapt to the times.

wnplt 01-25-2024 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3756009)
Whats the alternative? Airbus had a years long backlog and the NEO with the GTF engine has its own year long grounding problem right now.

Buy somebody with airbuses

RJSAviator76 01-25-2024 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by wnplt (Post 3758457)
Buy somebody with airbuses

As if this government would ever approve it....

WHACKMASTER 01-25-2024 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by wnplt (Post 3758457)
Buy somebody with airbuses

Frontier being the best choice.

Pinchacabron 01-25-2024 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by wnplt (Post 3758457)
Buy somebody with airbuses

Buy the assets of…… DOJ won’t approve a merger currently….. but can’t stop an asset purchase…… I fully understand the “new plane on cert…. Blah blah blah……” this is WAY easier than an SLI and merger scenario

e6bpilot 01-25-2024 04:57 PM

You guys crack me up. How long have you worked here?
They will extend the life of the 700s a la the good old classic fleet. They will renegotiate their deal with Boeing via veiled threats and a trip to Mobile Downtown airport, and then we will be flying the Max 7 when it finally appears.
They are taking Max 8 deliveries in lieu of and making a killing on that deal. SWA and Boeing are tied together for life. There will be no other fleet until after the last 737 rolls off the Renton floor.
SWA is in a sustained period of taking lumps in the earnings department in order to build the fleet, network, and technology infrastructure that they need to be competitive over the coming decades. This is yet another blow, but it is not a big deal at all. This airline will be insanely profitable again in the future with an all 737 fleet.
I am a complete cynic, but I am also a realist. The efficiencies that SWA gains by being a single fleet airline are huge.

Zard 01-25-2024 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3758719)
You guys crack me up. How long have you worked here?
They will extend the life of the 700s a la the good old classic fleet. They will renegotiate their deal with Boeing via veiled threats and a trip to Mobile Downtown airport, and then we will be flying the Max 7 when it finally appears.
They are taking Max 8 deliveries in lieu of and making a killing on that deal. SWA and Boeing are tied together for life. There will be no other fleet until after the last 737 rolls off the Renton floor.
SWA is in a sustained period of taking lumps in the earnings department in order to build the fleet, network, and technology infrastructure that they need to be competitive over the coming decades. This is yet another blow, but it is not a big deal at all. This airline will be insanely profitable again in the future with an all 737 fleet.
I am a complete cynic, but I am also a realist. The efficiencies that SWA gains by being a single fleet airline are huge.


You’re wrong, you know…It’s called “mobile international” now.

e6bpilot 01-25-2024 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Zard (Post 3758762)
You’re wrong, you know…It’s called “mobile international” now.

Ha! Dating myself.
Hopefully you can still call up the Unicom and order a pizza and warm cookies.


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