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Originally Posted by Otterbox
(Post 3760854)
Up to a two year delay in certification. Theres no political at the moment will to offer Boeing a safety exemption for the Max and they know it.
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Originally Posted by Privateer89
(Post 3761119)
Government control is never the answer.
There needs to be some major leadership change on Boeing at every level before they can be trusted again. We can't rely on the free market to force that change. Wall Street knows there are no other competitors in the world. If a company wants to switch its orders from Boeing to Airbus, it will take a decade. That's not a realist competitor. So there are no free market forces capable of improving the situation. If you actually want a more competitive aviation market, then you should be happy the FAA is getting involved. They are the only ones that can actually punish Boeing. That will make Boeing a less capable manufacturer. They will lose market share and allow room for other manufacturers to expand and maybe grow to a point where they can offer a realistic third option. |
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Originally Posted by Traffic Alert
(Post 3761252)
SWA prepared to wait..
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/southwest-airlines-not-looking-shift-173317726.html |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3761139)
Ahh, so you think we live in a fantasy land a 100% free market is possible. Even if that ideology is correct, it would require so many fundamental changes to society that it will never happen. Our version of a free market has failed. Boeing screwed up with MCAS, caused over 300 people to die, grounded the fleet for years, and cost investors and stakeholders billions of dollars. You would think that would be enough of a shock to the system to cause major changes within Boeing. Yet just a few years later, Boeing is more concerned about getting out of the financial hole the Max grounding caused and is focusing its energy on increasing production rates rather than ensuring quality. So yeah, right now an FAA inspector overlooking the assembly of every 737 would probably be a good thing.
There needs to be some major leadership change on Boeing at every level before they can be trusted again. We can't rely on the free market to force that change. Wall Street knows there are no other competitors in the world. If a company wants to switch its orders from Boeing to Airbus, it will take a decade. That's not a realist competitor. So there are no free market forces capable of improving the situation. If you actually want a more competitive aviation market, then you should be happy the FAA is getting involved. They are the only ones that can actually punish Boeing. That will make Boeing a less capable manufacturer. They will lose market share and allow room for other manufacturers to expand and maybe grow to a point where they can offer a realistic third option. I agree with you about the challenges of the free market in this environment. Boeing and Airbus are practically branches of the American and French government, which is why we are in this problem. It would be nice if we had the competition of the business jet market. They are leaps and bounds ahead of us here at the airlines. |
Originally Posted by Traffic Alert
(Post 3761252)
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Originally Posted by RealEstatePilot
(Post 3761272)
Well they can't just tell the world they're looking at other options when they're trying to get bigger discounts...
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Originally Posted by traffic alert
(Post 3761307)
i'd make an offer for ha if i were them. At least get wb here in the meantime.
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 3761295)
Oh 🤬 me. That’s ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Mozam
(Post 3756011)
Get some 787s and fly them on the heavy load routes. Does not necessarily need to be all Hawaii. Yes, I do realize that the 787 will be very hard to fly it like a 200 :)
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