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JimmyDean 01-30-2024 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3760854)
Up to a two year delay in certification. Theres no political at the moment will to offer Boeing a safety exemption for the Max and they know it.

Boeing hasnt prioritized a fix because they thought they had two years to get it done. My guess is they have a fix ready for the -7 (and all varients for that matter) within a year from now.

2StgTurbine 01-30-2024 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Privateer89 (Post 3761119)
Government control is never the answer.

Ahh, so you think we live in a fantasy land a 100% free market is possible. Even if that ideology is correct, it would require so many fundamental changes to society that it will never happen. Our version of a free market has failed. Boeing screwed up with MCAS, caused over 300 people to die, grounded the fleet for years, and cost investors and stakeholders billions of dollars. You would think that would be enough of a shock to the system to cause major changes within Boeing. Yet just a few years later, Boeing is more concerned about getting out of the financial hole the Max grounding caused and is focusing its energy on increasing production rates rather than ensuring quality. So yeah, right now an FAA inspector overlooking the assembly of every 737 would probably be a good thing.

There needs to be some major leadership change on Boeing at every level before they can be trusted again. We can't rely on the free market to force that change. Wall Street knows there are no other competitors in the world. If a company wants to switch its orders from Boeing to Airbus, it will take a decade. That's not a realist competitor. So there are no free market forces capable of improving the situation. If you actually want a more competitive aviation market, then you should be happy the FAA is getting involved. They are the only ones that can actually punish Boeing. That will make Boeing a less capable manufacturer. They will lose market share and allow room for other manufacturers to expand and maybe grow to a point where they can offer a realistic third option.

Traffic Alert 01-30-2024 11:08 AM

SWA prepared to wait..

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/s...173317726.html

RealEstatePilot 01-30-2024 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Traffic Alert (Post 3761252)

Well they can't just tell the world they're looking at other options when they're trying to get bigger discounts...

Privateer89 01-30-2024 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3761139)
Ahh, so you think we live in a fantasy land a 100% free market is possible. Even if that ideology is correct, it would require so many fundamental changes to society that it will never happen. Our version of a free market has failed. Boeing screwed up with MCAS, caused over 300 people to die, grounded the fleet for years, and cost investors and stakeholders billions of dollars. You would think that would be enough of a shock to the system to cause major changes within Boeing. Yet just a few years later, Boeing is more concerned about getting out of the financial hole the Max grounding caused and is focusing its energy on increasing production rates rather than ensuring quality. So yeah, right now an FAA inspector overlooking the assembly of every 737 would probably be a good thing.

There needs to be some major leadership change on Boeing at every level before they can be trusted again. We can't rely on the free market to force that change. Wall Street knows there are no other competitors in the world. If a company wants to switch its orders from Boeing to Airbus, it will take a decade. That's not a realist competitor. So there are no free market forces capable of improving the situation. If you actually want a more competitive aviation market, then you should be happy the FAA is getting involved. They are the only ones that can actually punish Boeing. That will make Boeing a less capable manufacturer. They will lose market share and allow room for other manufacturers to expand and maybe grow to a point where they can offer a realistic third option.

It’s easy to be mad at Boeing. They’re a faceless company that makes inanimate machines, which occasionally malfunction, causing people to die. The truth is that most airline crashes/incidents/mishaps are caused by human error. Should we regulate all pilots and airlines to make sure this never happens again? A flight crew consisting of a Captain, FO, and Fed for each flight. This government employee will make sure we never make any mistakes. I think it’s obvious that this would lead to so many more problems than solutions.

I agree with you about the challenges of the free market in this environment. Boeing and Airbus are practically branches of the American and French government, which is why we are in this problem. It would be nice if we had the competition of the business jet market. They are leaps and bounds ahead of us here at the airlines.

WHACKMASTER 01-30-2024 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by Traffic Alert (Post 3761252)

Oh 🤬 me. That’s ridiculous.

Traffic Alert 01-30-2024 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by RealEstatePilot (Post 3761272)
Well they can't just tell the world they're looking at other options when they're trying to get bigger discounts...

I'd make an offer for HA if I were them. At least get WB here in the meantime.

WHACKMASTER 01-30-2024 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by traffic alert (Post 3761307)
i'd make an offer for ha if i were them. At least get wb here in the meantime.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

……….

docav8tor 01-30-2024 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3761295)
Oh 🤬 me. That’s ridiculous.

Just keep kicking the can further down the road.

FriendlyPilot 01-30-2024 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Mozam (Post 3756011)
Get some 787s and fly them on the heavy load routes. Does not necessarily need to be all Hawaii. Yes, I do realize that the 787 will be very hard to fly it like a 200 :)

United has 150 787s on order and we can’t even get our next one until September. They are putting out about 4 a month right now worldwide. I think a new customer could expect to get a plane in 2032, which is probably the next delivery spot for a new customer. Maybe someone is selling used 787s?


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