Union hints of acquisition
#501
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Hypotheticals are not really a good way to figure something out like that. Their is so much change a foot going on here, it's hard to kind of see 18-24 months out. Five years ago they paid guys to leave. Then within two years they had to lower minimums to get people here. Change can happen very quickly. Their are no tea leaves in this business. Most of the time, the change that does come, nobody saw it coming. Commuting as capt vs an FO in base is tough call.
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Personally, I'd stay in the left seat. Aside from discussing what would happen if we potentially merged with someone, your sick leave is worth way more, your LTD is worth a lot more, your work day is worth a lot more, and if you're getting displaced out of ATL, I doubt you'll get displaced into OAK.
To me, no brainer.
To me, no brainer.
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Personally, I'd stay in the left seat. Aside from discussing what would happen if we potentially merged with someone, your sick leave is worth way more, your LTD is worth a lot more, your work day is worth a lot more, and if you're getting displaced out of ATL, I doubt you'll get displaced into OAK.
To me, no brainer.
To me, no brainer.
#504
JetBlue and United would never pass a DOJ litmus test, even in the current admin. The current state of homeostasis in the big 3 network worldwide legacy airlines allows each company to compete on their own merits. Any agreement that would preserve that would have a combined UA/B6 divest so many assets that it would essentially be a useless merger. Besides, UA has already explicitly said it isn't happening.
Someone said it above, size matters. You are either a giant or in danger in this industry. There is another round of consolidation coming, but it will more than likely involve carriers with less than 500 aircraft.
Someone said it above, size matters. You are either a giant or in danger in this industry. There is another round of consolidation coming, but it will more than likely involve carriers with less than 500 aircraft.
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Your own list doesn't get reordered during an SLI and neither does the other one. You're going to be junior to every SWA pilot you are currently junior to and senior to every SWA pilot you are currently senior to after any hypothetical SLI. The only difference it makes is in your paycheck while it all gets sorted out. However it gets arbitrated out the other items you mentioned get considered (think longevity though vs DOH) in some portion. If you were to merge with another carrier with WB you could probably expect to see those fenced off in most if not all cases for a while.
#506
You are not missing anything other than if the music stops , it is nice being in the left seat .
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Your own list doesn't get reordered during an SLI and neither does the other one. You're going to be junior to every SWA pilot you are currently junior to and senior to every SWA pilot you are currently senior to after any hypothetical SLI. The only difference it makes is in your paycheck while it all gets sorted out. However it gets arbitrated out the other items you mentioned get considered (think longevity though vs DOH) in some portion. If you were to merge with another carrier with WB you could probably expect to see those fenced off in most if not all cases for a while.
I think JetBlue is great, they were just born 20 years too late, which is totally not their fault. They just don't have the scale and they aren't going to get there organically. Their bougie on a budget product is also easily replicated by their competitors. They were a great value proposition in the early 2000s and made some great moves to gain a footing in their big markets. Now mom and dad are back from bankruptcy rehab and they are doing great and aren't going to cede any more turf.
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I could definitely see this happening, but it really doesn't do much other than stem the bleeding for JetBlue. They are a star alliance member...now what? They are still hemmed in to the northeast where United has a ton of service. Then there is that pesky JFK/EWR thing. JetBlue already codeshares with a lot of foreign carriers, I don't see this as a big revenue boost for them.
I think JetBlue is great, they were just born 20 years too late, which is totally not their fault. They just don't have the scale and they aren't going to get there organically. Their bougie on a budget product is also easily replicated by their competitors. They were a great value proposition in the early 2000s and made some great moves to gain a footing in their big markets. Now mom and dad are back from bankruptcy rehab and they are doing great and aren't going to cede any more turf.
I think JetBlue is great, they were just born 20 years too late, which is totally not their fault. They just don't have the scale and they aren't going to get there organically. Their bougie on a budget product is also easily replicated by their competitors. They were a great value proposition in the early 2000s and made some great moves to gain a footing in their big markets. Now mom and dad are back from bankruptcy rehab and they are doing great and aren't going to cede any more turf.
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