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Old 02-19-2025 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mozam
Some of those pigeons might be getting a zoom call today telling them it is time to go fly the line. The pig trough is running empty.
union pigeons?
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Old 02-19-2025 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Uninteresting
union pigeons?

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Project pilots at HQ. The money cuts came from SWA not SWAPA
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Old 02-19-2025 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
DOJ already set precedence when JetBlue's acquisition of Spirit got denied. Eliminating an ULCC option for the extreme price sensitive consumer is a no go. Especially once Frontier becomes the ONLY real ULCC major once Spirit no longer exists.
why don’t you wait before you put the last nail in the spirit coffin. Geeze it’s as if people can’t wait for spirit to go away.
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Old 02-19-2025 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
The judge’s ruling on JetBlue+Spirit stands and would need to be appealed if they wanted to reignite that merger plan. As for other airline mergers, this is Trump’s DOJ now. And this DOJ is viewed as being far softer, if not pro M&A. The JetBlue+Spirit ruling means nothing to other airline mergers during this 4-year administration.

yeaaah about that. That theory was debunked yesterday morning I believe. Seems as if we’re playing with the same rule book.
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Old 02-19-2025 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R
yeaaah about that. That theory was debunked yesterday morning I believe. Seems as if we’re playing with the same rule book.

Was that on CNBC?
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Old 02-19-2025 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
You see the letter the Trump's DOJ sent out yesterday basically affirming their MnA policy? I suggest you read it before assuming the new adminstration is going to be significantly different than Biden's. So yes, the JB/NK ruling absolutely will have a bearing and will be used in any future DOJ lawsuit should they decide to attempt to block mergers that may come before them.
I actually saw it on a news roundup an hour after I wrote that reply… {sigh}

Still, we’ll see if the DOJ holds to that rhetoric. They were probably trying to keep the invite list in check for the giant M&A party everyone has been talking about. Every talking head on financial news has been talking like antitrust laws don’t exist anymore, the DOJ probably needed to issue a statement. And although they have stated they intend to keep their strict review guidelines their emphasis will be on protecting American jobs; notably they didn’t mention protecting American consumers. None of the potential airline M&A activity effects a significant amount of American jobs, wouldn’t you say?



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Old 02-19-2025 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
I actually saw it on a news roundup an hour after I wrote that reply… {sigh}

Still, we’ll see if the DOJ holds to that rhetoric. They were probably trying to keep the invite list in check for the giant M&A party everyone has been talking about. Every talking head on financial news has been talking like antitrust laws don’t exist anymore, the DOJ probably needed to issue a statement.
It certainly could be! I sure hope that’s the reason for the statement. Some M&Aing are probably pretty needed right now
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Old 02-20-2025 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R
why don’t you wait before you put the last nail in the spirit coffin. Geeze it’s as if people can’t wait for spirit to go away.
So you think Spirit stays organic and exists in a year or 2 from now? My intention wasn't to dunk on Spirit, just making a comment on the fact there's probably going to be one ULCC very soon. That could very well be a merger between F9 and NK, not just Spirit desolving. Don't be so sensitive and read the post for the intent.
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Old 02-20-2025 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
I actually saw it on a news roundup an hour after I wrote that reply… {sigh}

Still, we’ll see if the DOJ holds to that rhetoric. They were probably trying to keep the invite list in check for the giant M&A party everyone has been talking about. Every talking head on financial news has been talking like antitrust laws don’t exist anymore, the DOJ probably needed to issue a statement. And although they have stated they intend to keep their strict review guidelines their emphasis will be on protecting American jobs; notably they didn’t mention protecting American consumers. None of the potential airline M&A activity effects a significant amount of American jobs, wouldn’t you say?
Any time you do a merger people will lose jobs. Whether it's through a severance or just plain old fashion elimination of a duplicate job. It's all about synergies. Just remember, two airlines airlines just merged a few months ago. Managements job is to argue the merits of what a merger will bring IF the DOJ objects. Spirit never argued in court that their existence was threatened. If they argued in court that they would go Ch11, the outcome may have been different. The judge made the decision based on the DOJ arguements of bad for consumers(based on a old law) vs good for consumers that Jetblue and Spirit made. Nothing in court was ever discussed about a threat to the enterprise existence. Meanwhile on the the other side of the country, HA/ALK are now one company. It's all about the arguments you make in court.
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Old 02-20-2025 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by REF 5
Any time you do a merger people will lose jobs. Whether it's through a severance or just plain old fashion elimination of a duplicate job. It's all about synergies. Just remember, two airlines airlines just merged a few months ago. Managements job is to argue the merits of what a merger will bring IF the DOJ objects. Spirit never argued in court that their existence was threatened. If they argued in court that they would go Ch11, the outcome may have been different. The judge made the decision based on the DOJ arguements of bad for consumers(based on a old law) vs good for consumers that Jetblue and Spirit made. Nothing in court was ever discussed about a threat to the enterprise existence. Meanwhile on the the other side of the country, HA/ALK are now one company. It's all about the arguments you make in court.
Except that HA + ALK never even went to trial....
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