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Was the UA FO right in calling the FEDS (or as rumors are saying, her husband taking it upon himself to call the FEDS) to report a SWA crew?
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I'm very concerned my son might find this woman with the online application the youngs use to "hook up". If he tries to bring her to Thanksgiving dinner I'll call 911, the FAA, ALPA, SWAPA and Big Ern.
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Quote: Was the UA FO right in calling the FEDS (or as rumors are saying, her husband taking it upon himself to call the FEDS) to report a SWA crew?
No. Not over something like flaps extension below the Up bug.

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Quote: Was the UA FO right in calling the FEDS (or as rumors are saying, her husband taking it upon himself to call the FEDS) to report a SWA crew?
If she did call the feds, she should be Tim Martins'ed, but I don't see how or why an airline pilot would call the FAA Safety Hotline, and especially what would she say to them.

So the story goes like this...

They're going into SAN and it's a fairly light airplane. They're being vectored for RNAV 27. For whatever reason, both captain and FO were distracted and allowed the airspeed to bleed off below the UP bug without putting the flaps out. The jumpseater pointed it out, the crew immediately put the flaps out, continued the approach and landed uneventfully.

Let's assume it was her that called... what did she tell the FAA? That SWA crew got slow on approach, dealt with it and landed uneventfully? Does this sound like something an airline pilot would do? She knows the crew is covered by ASAP and nothing would come out of something like this anyway, so why bother in the first place?

Apparently, last night at SWAPA, Casey told the upgrade class that they've been dealing with it, and that it was her husband that made the call. Supposedly from other sources, the call was made without her knowledge at the time of the call and she didn't know about it until UAL ALPA jumpseat people called her asking her WTF?

So which one seems more believable? A jumpseater reporting the operating crew for getting slow and recovering, or the jumpseater telling her husband who was also apparently traveling with her probably with some dramatization of what happened, only for her to not realize that he'd end up calling the FAA based on her story bringing all this sh!tstorm on her.

I know that pilots are inherently lazy. If you know the process and how things work, i.e. ASAP, going into the yellow, what do you as a pilot for a different airline possibly gain by calling the FAA? That's the part that just doesn't make any sense to me. On the other hand, it makes more sense to me that a Karen-like individual would call the FAA based on a story, especially if said Karen was a passenger on the said flight and "almost died."

Just my 2 cents.... I'll withhold my judgement until the facts come out.
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While we’re having a rational break, how much of this is the real story:

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They're going into SAN and it's a fairly light airplane. They're being vectored for RNAV 27. For whatever reason, both captain and FO were distracted and allowed the airspeed to bleed off below the UP bug without putting the flaps out. The jumpseater pointed it out, the crew immediately put the flaps out, continued the approach and landed uneventfully.
What if there was an egregious error with potentially a fatal outcome?
Well nobody died right so we bury it?
Every airline has hero’s and zero’s, SWA is no
exception.
The interwebz are making it way too easy to eviscerate someone.
At my place of worship we have a couple of real nuggets too, male and female.
One of them even made it to my no-fly list. So far this douche bag is the only one that has made it that far. Instructor too no less.
I wouldn’t p!ss on him if I found him on fire in a ditch just to conjure up a colorful image.
In the mean time I’m just following the train wreck on the other thread.
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Quote: I know that pilots are inherently lazy. If you know the process and how things work, i.e. ASAP, going into the yellow, what do you as a pilot for a different airline possibly gain by calling the FAA? That's the part that just doesn't make any sense to me. On the other hand, it makes more sense to me that a Karen-like individual would call the FAA based on a story, especially if said Karen was a passenger on the said flight and "almost died."

Just my 2 cents.... I'll withhold my judgement until the facts come out.
Nah. I don't believe that it was the husband for one second. If I told my wife, even as dramatically as I could, she would literally NEVER a: really understand what happened and b: think about reporting it c: even know how to report it and d: be in no way capable of actually repeating the story to the FAA in any kind of coherent manner.

Try it with your significant other at home. Tell them the story as it stands once, give them one hour (to stimulate getting home/to the hotel and "research" the FAA whistleblower number), then ask them to tell you the story back to you.

What's more credible? An inexperienced pilot with a heavy social media presence as an "influencer" over dramatizing something and having it backfire spectacularly and then back peddling and shifting the blame onto somebody who will likely never have to face any consequences... Or your spouse being able to care enough to relay a complex and technical safety event coherently enough that the faa would take it seriously from a third hand source?
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Quote: Nah. I don't believe that it was the husband for one second. If I told my wife, even as dramatically as I could, she would literally NEVER a: really understand what happened and b: think about reporting it c: even know how to report it and d: be in no way capable of actually repeating the story to the FAA in any kind of coherent manner.

Try it with your significant other at home. Tell them the story as it stands once, give them one hour (to stimulate getting home/to the hotel and "research" the FAA whistleblower number), then ask them to tell you the story back to you.

What's more credible? An inexperienced pilot with a heavy social media presence as an "influencer" over dramatizing something and having it backfire spectacularly and then back peddling and shifting the blame onto somebody who will likely never have to face any consequences... Or your spouse being able to care enough to relay a complex and technical safety event coherently enough that the faa would take it seriously from a third hand source?
That’s what I was thinking. If I told my wife this (not that she would care) she would be like “what’s an Up bug? What are flaps? Wait, the copilot was flying? I thought only the pilot flies.” Even if I told her some absolutely outlandish tale (which this doesn’t seem to be) the idea that she would call the FAA about it and not mention it to me is bonkers. If she started asking me “hey honey, what was that flight number again of that story you were telling me? How fast exactly were you going? How far below the Up bug were you before they put out the flaps again?” I’d be like WTF. Unless her husband was a 73 pilot, none of this passes the smell test.
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8 hour drive from the North SAN suburbs to SFO. Hopefully she can hold LAX soon enough.
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Quote: Nah. I don't believe that it was the husband for one second. If I told my wife, even as dramatically as I could, she would literally NEVER a: really understand what happened and b: think about reporting it c: even know how to report it and d: be in no way capable of actually repeating the story to the FAA in any kind of coherent manner.

Try it with your significant other at home. Tell them the story as it stands once, give them one hour (to stimulate getting home/to the hotel and "research" the FAA whistleblower number), then ask them to tell you the story back to you.

What's more credible? An inexperienced pilot with a heavy social media presence as an "influencer" over dramatizing something and having it backfire spectacularly and then back peddling and shifting the blame onto somebody who will likely never have to face any consequences... Or your spouse being able to care enough to relay a complex and technical safety event coherently enough that the faa would take it seriously from a third hand source?
or a boyfriend who is also a pilot who knows enough to follow along but thinks it something more serious than it was and not enough to know better?
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Quote: or a boyfriend who is also a pilot who knows enough to follow along but thinks it something more serious than it was and not enough to know better?
Let's forget the fact that the alleged person is married and their spouse is not a pilot and go with this theory. What would the FAAs first question be? "Why didn't the pilot call us themselves? I'd like to talk to them."

The Jumpseater wouldn't find out from the jumpseat committee the next day, because the FAAs first call wouldn't be to ALPA; it would be to the airman on file to get their story. This whole "husband" story requires way too many stretches of logic.

Occam's face scraper theory makes much, much more sense. Inexperienced pilot, inexperienced with unions, flair for the dramatic with social media presence, flimsy attempt to deflect after it hits the fan and they're (very unfortunately) possibly doxed.

I feel bad for them. As people have said, the WN pilots will likely be fine, but the pilot who called the faa, right or wrong, will likely have to deal with this for the rest of their career.
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