Another incident ?
07-04-2024 | 11:23 AM
#91
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Are y'all just getting walls of NOTAMs? Ours are separated by airport (runways, taxiways), approaches, departures, arrivals, and obstacles. Sure, you still have the FAA phraseology to deal with but at least the more important stuff is broken out and you can quickly review what you need to see.
But thankfully we had time to change the acronym to "missions" - that was definitely the glaring issue with the NOTAM system.
But thankfully we had time to change the acronym to "missions" - that was definitely the glaring issue with the NOTAM system.
07-04-2024 | 12:06 PM
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For a minute there I thought the runway closures wouldn't be buried on page 17 of a 25 page briefing packet. But the FAA never lets me down for somehow finding a new level of making life for everyone, even worse.
07-05-2024 | 02:35 AM
#93
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Would the Boston center controller that gave them their clearance relay the runway closure since it might not be in the asos/awos? Seems you get that kind of info in some of the mountainous spots in Colorado.
07-05-2024 | 03:46 AM
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At my company, we have specific pages for every airport we fly into. The airports that are non-towered will have the times the tower opens and closes. I've never received that info from an ATC center when getting my clearance and release time.
07-05-2024 | 06:43 AM
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07-05-2024 | 07:19 AM
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Shortly after SW started operations at ATL I watched a Southwest jet pull out ahead of us from ramp 4 or 5 after being told to go behind us. I was moving along about 10 knots as there were 12 to 15 jets ahead of us. Ground gave them a short rebuke to which they replied they were sorry. They then said "We can take a intersection departure from J and are ready for a immediate"! After a pause ground control came up and said, "You're not from around here are you"?
Maybe it's time for a change in the pay system and agressive enforcement of the Boeing recommended taxi speeds of 10/15/30.
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07-05-2024 | 09:12 AM
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They were aware of the runway closure and it was broadcast on the AWOS. Saving time has long been a Mantra at SW. It's built into their pay system where reducing block can increase pay. It's in the DNA of the airline.
Shortly after SW started operations at ATL I watched a Southwest jet pull out ahead of us from ramp 4 or 5 after being told to go behind us. I was moving along about 10 knots as there were 12 to 15 jets ahead of us. Ground gave them a short rebuke to which they replied they were sorry. They then said "We can take a intersection departure from J and are ready for a immediate"! After a pause ground control came up and said, "You're not from around here are you"?
Maybe it's time for a change in the pay system and agressive enforcement of the Boeing recommended taxi speeds of 10/15/30.
Shortly after SW started operations at ATL I watched a Southwest jet pull out ahead of us from ramp 4 or 5 after being told to go behind us. I was moving along about 10 knots as there were 12 to 15 jets ahead of us. Ground gave them a short rebuke to which they replied they were sorry. They then said "We can take a intersection departure from J and are ready for a immediate"! After a pause ground control came up and said, "You're not from around here are you"?
Maybe it's time for a change in the pay system and agressive enforcement of the Boeing recommended taxi speeds of 10/15/30.
07-05-2024 | 11:06 AM
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07-05-2024 | 01:49 PM
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07-05-2024 | 02:39 PM
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They were aware of the runway closure and it was broadcast on the AWOS. Saving time has long been a Mantra at SW. It's built into their pay system where reducing block can increase pay. It's in the DNA of the airline.
Shortly after SW started operations at ATL I watched a Southwest jet pull out ahead of us from ramp 4 or 5 after being told to go behind us. I was moving along about 10 knots as there were 12 to 15 jets ahead of us. Ground gave them a short rebuke to which they replied they were sorry. They then said "We can take a intersection departure from J and are ready for a immediate"! After a pause ground control came up and said, "You're not from around here are you"?
Maybe it's time for a change in the pay system and agressive enforcement of the Boeing recommended taxi speeds of 10/15/30.
Shortly after SW started operations at ATL I watched a Southwest jet pull out ahead of us from ramp 4 or 5 after being told to go behind us. I was moving along about 10 knots as there were 12 to 15 jets ahead of us. Ground gave them a short rebuke to which they replied they were sorry. They then said "We can take a intersection departure from J and are ready for a immediate"! After a pause ground control came up and said, "You're not from around here are you"?
Maybe it's time for a change in the pay system and agressive enforcement of the Boeing recommended taxi speeds of 10/15/30.
Cool story, dawg.
”You never know how much SA you don’t have.”
If what you allege is correct, they will have to answer to such. But you will always be one of the items that must not be flushed.
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