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Ok—What’s The New Base?
#401
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Year end 2025 cargo revenue.
https://ir.delta.com/news/news-detai...s/default.aspx
https://ir.united.com/static-files/a...3-4263f0527cc1
Total ASM's yr end 2025
- DAL $900 million
- UAL $1.8 Billion
- DAL $16.1 Billion
- UAL $22.0 Bilion
https://ir.delta.com/news/news-detai...s/default.aspx
https://ir.united.com/static-files/a...3-4263f0527cc1
Total ASM's yr end 2025
- UAL 330,284 Billion
- DAL 298,045 Billion
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#403
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DL actually has a significantly larger international footprint and cargo footprint than UAL. The majority of those footprints is operated by cheaper JV labor though, which is why DL has larger profit sharing checks and can afford to spend billions on turf wars, SEA being one of them.
If I was a WN pilot I'd definitely be more interested in management's ability to sustain selling a LCC+ product at the same price as a legacy carrier product than I would be about the base manning situation, it's pretty clear that doing it on the same routes as legacy carriers out of large hubs like DEN and ATL isn't going to be viable long term. Obviously commuting long-term sucks after getting displaced, but working for a carrier with a new and unproven business model is more unnerving when you're hitched to the airline for the duration of your decades long career. Frontier and Spirit have been doing the assigned seating thing forever and Spirit had the big front seat, both charged for checked bags, but neither could really compete once basic economy was fully rolled out at the legacy carriers. WN's bread and butter that built the company into the powerhouse of today was no-frills P2P flying from lower cost airports. Hopefully they can leverage the P2P network with the new frills and avoid costly turf wars in places like DEN, ATL, etc.
If I was a WN pilot I'd definitely be more interested in management's ability to sustain selling a LCC+ product at the same price as a legacy carrier product than I would be about the base manning situation, it's pretty clear that doing it on the same routes as legacy carriers out of large hubs like DEN and ATL isn't going to be viable long term. Obviously commuting long-term sucks after getting displaced, but working for a carrier with a new and unproven business model is more unnerving when you're hitched to the airline for the duration of your decades long career. Frontier and Spirit have been doing the assigned seating thing forever and Spirit had the big front seat, both charged for checked bags, but neither could really compete once basic economy was fully rolled out at the legacy carriers. WN's bread and butter that built the company into the powerhouse of today was no-frills P2P flying from lower cost airports. Hopefully they can leverage the P2P network with the new frills and avoid costly turf wars in places like DEN, ATL, etc.
The managers are going to manage. We are going to fly. Apparently other airline pilots are going to come and carpet bomb our threads with “advice”.
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If I were a non-WN pilot, I would be very concerned about my penchant for going on other airline threads and posting management tips to a bunch of pilots who aren’t managers, especially when it is blatant misinformation. This reads like it was written in 2012. P2P is a shrinking portion of the SWA network. Denver flying is almost exactly the same as it was 2 years ago, they are just doing it with less bodies and more outstation overnights that bank in the mega station (hub).
The managers are going to manage. We are going to fly. Apparently other airline pilots are going to come and carpet bomb our threads with “advice”.
The managers are going to manage. We are going to fly. Apparently other airline pilots are going to come and carpet bomb our threads with “advice”.
I just had a few simple questions, nothing more, thanks ref5 an fly for giving me some good responses. Most appreciated.
Now if I really wanted to live up to your stereotype I'd say something like "my PS check is going to be more than most of you at SWA make in 3 months flying" . But I would not do that. That's how you're acting though. Good grief. Y'all need to take some Prozac.
#405
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Year end 2025 cargo revenue.
https://ir.delta.com/news/news-detai...s/default.aspx
https://ir.united.com/static-files/a...3-4263f0527cc1
Total ASM's yr end 2025
- DAL $900 million
- UAL $1.8 Billion
- DAL $16.1 Billion
- UAL $22.0 Bilion
https://ir.delta.com/news/news-detai...s/default.aspx
https://ir.united.com/static-files/a...3-4263f0527cc1
Total ASM's yr end 2025
- UAL 330,284 Billion
- DAL 298,045 Billion
#406
that is a statement a complete narcissist would say and not even true. (I highly doubt your PS is over 150k ) Glad you did not say it because it would show your true colors

I do not think Prozac will fix your issues.
#407
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Last time I checked the forum rules don't say anything about someone posting on another airlines thread. It happens all the time.
I just had a few simple questions, nothing more, thanks ref5 an fly for giving me some good responses. Most appreciated.
Now if I really wanted to live up to your stereotype I'd say something like "my PS check is going to be more than most of you at SWA make in 3 months flying" . But I would not do that. That's how you're acting though. Good grief. Y'all need to take some Prozac.
I just had a few simple questions, nothing more, thanks ref5 an fly for giving me some good responses. Most appreciated.
Now if I really wanted to live up to your stereotype I'd say something like "my PS check is going to be more than most of you at SWA make in 3 months flying" . But I would not do that. That's how you're acting though. Good grief. Y'all need to take some Prozac.
Like I said, rewind the clock 15 years and it was SWA pilots telling everyone else the exact same thing except it was how low cost point to point is it and the hub and spoke intl network carrier is a thing of the past. Everything happens in cycles and you happen to be lucky enough to be at a place that was lucky enough to hire the best airline CEO in a generation. Wish I would have kept updating that delta app, but I am too lazy and hats hurt my head. I get it, pilots get weird about where they work because we are all largely locked in after a few years and have to justify our choices, me included. I just find it amazing that people actually take the time to go pontificate to others about how to do a job they aren’t qualified to do, manage an airline.
Good luck in all your endeavors. May we all set the parking brake and walk off the plane rich and happy.
#408
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Last time I checked the forum rules don't say anything about someone posting on another airlines thread. It happens all the time.
I just had a few simple questions, nothing more, thanks ref5 an fly for giving me some good responses. Most appreciated.
Now if I really wanted to live up to your stereotype I'd say something like "my PS check is going to be more than most of you at SWA make in 3 months flying" . But I would not do that. That's how you're acting though. Good grief. Y'all need to take some Prozac.
I just had a few simple questions, nothing more, thanks ref5 an fly for giving me some good responses. Most appreciated.
Now if I really wanted to live up to your stereotype I'd say something like "my PS check is going to be more than most of you at SWA make in 3 months flying" . But I would not do that. That's how you're acting though. Good grief. Y'all need to take some Prozac.
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