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Old 02-06-2026 | 05:49 AM
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Year end 2025 cargo revenue.
  • DAL $900 million
  • UAL $1.8 Billion
Revenues from International yr end 2025
  • DAL $16.1 Billion
  • UAL $22.0 Bilion

​​​​​​https://ir.delta.com/news/news-detai...s/default.aspx

https://ir.united.com/static-files/a...3-4263f0527cc1

Total ASM's yr end 2025
  • UAL 330,284 Billion
  • DAL 298,045 Billion
Almost half of UAL's ASM's is International at 151,496 Billion. They are just getting started. As they retire older widebodies and bring on new ones, margins will only go up. The only caveat is interest on debt and total debt. Delta is way ahead in that game.


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Old 02-06-2026 | 05:49 AM
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lol. I was agreeing with you. Apparently my communication skills suck. Delta dude has a Jim Jones in the jungle vibe. It’s comforting to know that some stereotypes can still be relied upon.
I know you were. Nothing directed at you.
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Old 02-06-2026 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Freds Ex
DL actually has a significantly larger international footprint and cargo footprint than UAL. The majority of those footprints is operated by cheaper JV labor though, which is why DL has larger profit sharing checks and can afford to spend billions on turf wars, SEA being one of them.



If I was a WN pilot I'd definitely be more interested in management's ability to sustain selling a LCC+ product at the same price as a legacy carrier product than I would be about the base manning situation, it's pretty clear that doing it on the same routes as legacy carriers out of large hubs like DEN and ATL isn't going to be viable long term. Obviously commuting long-term sucks after getting displaced, but working for a carrier with a new and unproven business model is more unnerving when you're hitched to the airline for the duration of your decades long career. Frontier and Spirit have been doing the assigned seating thing forever and Spirit had the big front seat, both charged for checked bags, but neither could really compete once basic economy was fully rolled out at the legacy carriers. WN's bread and butter that built the company into the powerhouse of today was no-frills P2P flying from lower cost airports. Hopefully they can leverage the P2P network with the new frills and avoid costly turf wars in places like DEN, ATL, etc.
If I were a non-WN pilot, I would be very concerned about my penchant for going on other airline threads and posting management tips to a bunch of pilots who aren’t managers, especially when it is blatant misinformation. This reads like it was written in 2012. P2P is a shrinking portion of the SWA network. Denver flying is almost exactly the same as it was 2 years ago, they are just doing it with less bodies and more outstation overnights that bank in the mega station (hub).
The managers are going to manage. We are going to fly. Apparently other airline pilots are going to come and carpet bomb our threads with “advice”.
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Old 02-06-2026 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
If I were a non-WN pilot, I would be very concerned about my penchant for going on other airline threads and posting management tips to a bunch of pilots who aren’t managers, especially when it is blatant misinformation. This reads like it was written in 2012. P2P is a shrinking portion of the SWA network. Denver flying is almost exactly the same as it was 2 years ago, they are just doing it with less bodies and more outstation overnights that bank in the mega station (hub).
The managers are going to manage. We are going to fly. Apparently other airline pilots are going to come and carpet bomb our threads with “advice”.
Last time I checked the forum rules don't say anything about someone posting on another airlines thread. It happens all the time.

I just had a few simple questions, nothing more, thanks ref5 an fly for giving me some good responses. Most appreciated.

Now if I really wanted to live up to your stereotype I'd say something like "my PS check is going to be more than most of you at SWA make in 3 months flying" . But I would not do that. That's how you're acting though. Good grief. Y'all need to take some Prozac.

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Old 02-06-2026 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by REF 5
Year end 2025 cargo revenue.
  • DAL $900 million
  • UAL $1.8 Billion
Revenues from International yr end 2025
  • DAL $16.1 Billion
  • UAL $22.0 Bilion

​​​​​​https://ir.delta.com/news/news-detai...s/default.aspx

https://ir.united.com/static-files/a...3-4263f0527cc1

Total ASM's yr end 2025
  • UAL 330,284 Billion
  • DAL 298,045 Billion
Almost half of UAL's ASM's is International at 151,496 Billion. They are just getting started. As they retire older widebodies and bring on new ones, margins will only go up. The only caveat is interest on debt and total debt. Delta is way ahead in that game.
Good work, but that's just a start. Now add in all the ASMs, the cargo revenue, international revenue, that Delta makes money on by owning stakes in the foreign airlines that feed the Delta network. 49% of Virgin Atlantic's profit goes straight to Delta. 20% of Aeromexico, 10% of LATAM, and so-on.
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Old 02-07-2026 | 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
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Now if I really wanted to live up to your stereotype I'd say something like "my PS check is going to be more than most of you at SWA make in 3 months flying" . But I would not do that. That's how you're acting though. Good grief. Y'all need to take some Prozac.


that is a statement a complete narcissist would say and not even true. (I highly doubt your PS is over 150k ) Glad you did not say it because it would show your true colors



I do not think Prozac will fix your issues.
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Old 02-07-2026 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Last time I checked the forum rules don't say anything about someone posting on another airlines thread. It happens all the time.

I just had a few simple questions, nothing more, thanks ref5 an fly for giving me some good responses. Most appreciated.

Now if I really wanted to live up to your stereotype I'd say something like "my PS check is going to be more than most of you at SWA make in 3 months flying" . But I would not do that. That's how you're acting though. Good grief. Y'all need to take some Prozac.
Just amazing. Bravo. That post really rounded out the whole delta airlines pilot drive by experience.
Like I said, rewind the clock 15 years and it was SWA pilots telling everyone else the exact same thing except it was how low cost point to point is it and the hub and spoke intl network carrier is a thing of the past. Everything happens in cycles and you happen to be lucky enough to be at a place that was lucky enough to hire the best airline CEO in a generation. Wish I would have kept updating that delta app, but I am too lazy and hats hurt my head. I get it, pilots get weird about where they work because we are all largely locked in after a few years and have to justify our choices, me included. I just find it amazing that people actually take the time to go pontificate to others about how to do a job they aren’t qualified to do, manage an airline.
Good luck in all your endeavors. May we all set the parking brake and walk off the plane rich and happy.
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Old 02-07-2026 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Last time I checked the forum rules don't say anything about someone posting on another airlines thread. It happens all the time.

I just had a few simple questions, nothing more, thanks ref5 an fly for giving me some good responses. Most appreciated.

Now if I really wanted to live up to your stereotype I'd say something like "my PS check is going to be more than most of you at SWA make in 3 months flying" . But I would not do that. That's how you're acting though. Good grief. Y'all need to take some Prozac.
Good lord. I think you are the one that needs a Prozac. If you truly have been at DL for 30+ years (you haven’t) you would be far more humble considering the absolute horrors your company has delt to its pilots over the years. Of few good ones don’t erase the past.
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Old 02-07-2026 | 12:40 PM
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General Lee has made his comeback, complete with a widget device Prince Albert, albeit badly infected and gangrenous. Too bad.
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Old 02-07-2026 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Standbyzeros
General Lee has made his comeback, complete with a widget device Prince Albert, albeit badly infected and gangrenous. Too bad.
Brightspark!
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