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Old 10-10-2011, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine View Post
Let's do a little "fair and equitable" thought experiment.

When AT pilots are able to bid over to the 737 do you think the 717 FO slots are going to go senior or junior?
Ummm..they will go senior because of the increased pay and being on the SWA contract sooner. Also, SWA will not put new hires on the 717, so there will not be any quality of life improvements from new hires being put below 717 pilots, so, I would say senior. I don't understand your "experiment". Losing all captain seats, 30% seniority, and being on a lower pay scale hardly seems "fair and equitable".
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine View Post
I don't know that very many AT guys are actually angry. This board has very few actual angry AT pilots.

Most of what you're reading here is angry DAL pilots who are career spectators and a few AT dudes and a few people who are pretending to be people they're not.
Right, you just keep thinking that. It couldn't be further from the truth.
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Old 10-10-2011, 05:10 PM
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SWAPA won't take care of anyone except Blue tail guys and use SL 10 as a built in excuse.
BINGO! It should be interesting how many DFR suits SWAPA will get handed in the future for failing to truly represent ex-AAI pilots. Grab an ex-Morris guy if you can and start asking some questions. Apparently a few of them have some pretty strong words about being in the "aquired not hired" category and it forever sticking with them during their SWA career.

Yeah, there's some good times ahead for sure. Can't wait....
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Whah-Master will be unhappy no matter what happens.
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Old 10-10-2011, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine View Post
Whah-Master will be unhappy no matter what happens.

There ya go. Good comeback. I'll be happy if this goes to arbitration if you're really curious about what would make me happy.
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Old 10-10-2011, 05:58 PM
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If you guys vote for this, you get what you deserve.
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If you guys vote for this, you get what you deserve.
I whole-heartedly agree. Being one of the most adamant NO voters, why do you think this is tearing me up so bad?
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Old 10-10-2011, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
BINGO! It should be interesting how many DFR suits SWAPA will get handed in the future for failing to truly represent ex-AAI pilots. Grab an ex-Morris guy if you can and start asking some questions. Apparently a few of them have some pretty strong words about being in the "aquired not hired" category and it forever sticking with them during their SWA career.

Yeah, there's some good times ahead for sure. Can't wait....
Well, all I can tell you is I have flown with quite a few of them, though not all, but I have yet to hear any of them spout the vitriol that you are spewing.

How exactly do you start a DFR suit against a union that does not yet represent you? AAI guys are not represented by SWAPA until they make the jump to SWA. If you seriously believe that SWAPA will attempt to bargain different deals for ex-AAI guys once they make the switch, you are seriously deluded. Plese understand that as soon as you decide to make the switch from AirTran to SWA, SWAPA will indeed represent your interests to the best of their abilities.
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Old 10-10-2011, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine View Post
I don't know that very many AT guys are actually angry. This board has very few actual angry AT pilots.

Most of what you're reading here is angry DAL pilots who are career spectators and a few AT dudes and a few people who are pretending to be people they're not.
Then you are clearly not paying attention or you don't know very many Airtran pilots.

There is a difference between being angry and remaining civil. I am not happy with the deal at all, but it is what it is. If it passes the vote, then I will put it behind me and be the very best SWA pilot I can be. If it goes to arbitration, then I will await the outcome and then be the very best SWA pilot I can be.

I won't let something completely out of my control (other than my 1 measly vote) affect my attitude or my work ethic.
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Old 10-10-2011, 06:12 PM
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Well, all I can tell you is I have flown with quite a few of them, though not all, but I have yet to hear any of them spout the vitriol that you are spewing.

How exactly do you start a DFR suit against a union that does not yet represent you? AAI guys are not represented by SWAPA until they make the jump to SWA. If you seriously believe that SWAPA will attempt to bargain different deals for ex-AAI guys once they make the switch, you are seriously deluded. Plese understand that as soon as you decide to make the switch from AirTran to SWA, SWAPA will indeed represent your interests to the best of their abilities.
You misunderstood me. Many of us have little faith that SWAPA will represent us (disciplinary matters, etc.) as well as they will original SWA pilots. I know they don't rep us until we cross the fence. I'm talking about after we cross the fence.
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