shoelu

All I can say WM if you truly want to slam on the brakes and halt this whole process, I am behind you 100%. Unfortuneately, neither of us have that ability. The real question is how do we get past this in the future?

I am totally willing to move forward and judge eveyone as an individual, with no regard to where you came from before, are you abe to do the same? If so, I'm sure we will do fine. If not, I fear for both of our futures.

shoelu

I can tell you with all honesty that I do not believe that would ever be the case, and if what you contend ever turned out to be true, we would deserve a DFR suit.

tsquare

Amazing........

newKnow

I didn't necessarily think you were talking about me. I was just wondering what you thought a career spectator was. It was just an interesting term that I had never heard of, and I wondered what you meant.

As for me and my popcorn: I'm fairly sure I changed my position when I got fed up with our constant fighting about the Delta Pilots Association vs. Delta Airline Pilots Association. I've pretty much bowed out of those discussions because they seem to get too personal, too quickly for me. Not that I don't have something interesting to add......

shoelu

Thank you very much, that's very kind t.
P.S. I thought you had nothing more to say to me, I must admit, I much preferred it that way!

tsquare

The only reason I come here is to annoy you and your trio of friends

1Seat 1Engine

Like we don't know that? We quit thinking of you as a serious poster ages ago.

Elliot

You think that neither pilot group has the ability to disrupt operations? Really? Too young to remember America West/US Airways merger?

Post something of substance "1seat/1engine" or go running like your cry baby SWACapt friend did. (Think his last post was something like, "I told HSLD on you, now I'm taking my toys and going home.")

I'll show you what substance consists of:

Airtran Deal Could Hold Southwest Back: Deutsche Bank - Stocks To Watch Today - Barrons.com

Deutsche Bank analyst Michael Linenberg downgraded Southwest (LUV) today to Hold from Buy on concerns that it will have trouble integrating Airtran, the company it bought earlier this year. Southwest plans to integrate Airtran’s routes next year.


“The key downside risk factor for LUV, in our view, is integration risk given that airline mergers are complex and time consuming as disparate technology systems, labor groups, cultures, fleets, and facilities are combined,” Linenberg writes.


He dropped his price target to $9 from $16. Southwest closed on Monday at $7.97, up 3.6%.


SWAPA & WN management definitely get an "F" for merging two employee groups/airlines, but you guys just keep up that "entitlement mentality" and let me know how that works out in ten years.


Fly safe,


GJ

Elliot

Shoeleather, 1seat, SWACapt, Oscar,

If you all will send me your kindle address (PM it to me) I'll gift you a book. "Pay it forward" type of gesture. When you're all done reading, "pass it on" to all the other SWA employees who have your same attitudes. (Kelly included.)

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GJ

Clear Right

Actually in my opinion quite the contrary. SWA management gets an "A" not an "F", unfortunately unions get the failing grade. What all pilot unions need to realize is that SWA management has demonstrated that unions are essentially powerless in this process if you have an engaged management group. SWA essentially told the AirTran pilot group, "it is our way of the highway" and they smartly are avoiding Mac-Bond and an arbitrated list, thus avoiding a long battle (i.e. AmWest/UsAir).

Yes, this sucks for the AirTran pilot group, but it is their union that lost to SWA management. The reality is that AirTran pilots will most likely vote this in, and how can you legally protest something your pilot group ultimately will vote in. SWA management by being involved in the process has dictated the seniority list on their terms, not the union terms or either pilot groups terms, hence an "A" grade for SWA management.

This is a win for the SWA pilots and unfortunately a loss for the AirTran pilots, but ultimately it is the company that wins in the long run. Unions are loosing power in this country, SWA management demonstrated that you can disregard the federal law (Mac-Bond/Fair Integration) by dictating the terms of the SLI. The real lesson is to write into you next contract as a pilot group that no corporate transaction can take place unless there is a fair SLI under the guidance of an arbitrator using Mac-Bond to ensure a fair list. You must prevent the transaction from occurring in the first place, unless there is a fair SLI. Just my opinion. Good luck to all of the pilots of SWA and AirTran, hopefully you will get beyond this soon.