OscartheGrouch

Well Mr. GJ,

I have read your "gifts" already. I would ask you to reference any post I have made that would indicate that I don't understand the AT folks position.

Here is a bit of info for you. SWAPA is not ALPA! Except for the improvements in safety over the years I really don't want any part of their improvements with regards to this or past SLI's. This vote is happening now and I am at a point where I don't really care anymore. If the AT folks vote it in and then challenge it later then.............. Vote no and we will go back to the way things were. SWA will make the necessary adjustments to their business model and move on.

The Oscar

Phlintsone

Is this their way?
1. CEO signs a Process Agreement (PA) with no intention of following it.
2. COO states in writing that they will follow the PA but do not.
3. Say repeatedly that no jobs are at stake but if AAI does not agree then AAI will be spun off and dismantled.
4. Take 350ish CA seats for their folks.
5. Further punish all AAI folks by taking their seniority.
6. Establishing a B scale for the 717 so that the juior folks who have no seniority to take will be paid less.

The SWA culture from their website (a partial list):
1. Follow The Golden Rule
2. Treat others with respect
3. Put others first
4. Be egalitarian*
5. Demonstrate proactive Customer Service
6. Embrace the SWA Family

To many, it is hard to reconcile those two lists.
I would also LUV to hear how list one is required to save/maintain the SWA culture which has been stated many times.

Phred


*e·gal·i·tar·i·an
[ih-gal-i-tair-ee-uhn] adjective
1. asserting, resulting from, or characterized by belief in the equality of all people.

1Seat 1Engine

So are you telling me you think TSquare has anything to say?

He's nearing 5000 posts in just over 8000 words total. Probably a new record for three word responses with a smilie.

Elliot

Absolutely not. I'd offer that TSquare hasn't always been the most verbose, but in an effort to offer "quality debate", the previous post of yours, and I summarize, stated "he's a Southwest Hater, ignore everything he has to say anyway", isn't constructive engagement, but rather passive aggressive.

Bottom line 1s1e. I have many friends at WN. Really, they all love it, and I truly do understand the culture. Herb was a CEO that most others can take a lesson from.

<honest question> Not sure if you've ever read the book "7 Habits of Highly Effective People"? If you have, you'll understand more effectively my use of the analogy of the old tale, "The Goose & the Golden Egg". The book speaks of not only taking care of your "production" = "golden egg" = "wn award winning customer service", but also making sure that "production control" = "golden egg laying goose" = "employee groups" are well taken care of.

<honest question again> Do you, or the rest of the labor group at WN not understand that if you wound, or even worse, kill the "goose" at WN by integrating a labor group with animosity that your "product/production" (golden egg) will be affected in the long term?

<one more honest question> Or does SWA Mgmt & SWAPA not care anymore? Does their own myopic vision of their pilot groups best interests take precedence over the ability to produce "golden eggs"?

I'm a Delta guy, pmNWA, and neither of those two airlines qualify me to participate in the Southwest Hater picnics held in Atlanta during fall, and MSP during the one month of summer we have up here. With that being said, the health of your airline, and soon to be an airline merged with one of our very own hub competitors, is intrinsically important to the success of all of our contracts and QOL improvements in upcoming negotiations. (Negotiations that UniCal is already immersed in.)

Everyone (yes, even TSquare), not only your group, or the Air Tran pilots, have a vested interest in airline mergers of the future and the QOL/earnings we can bring back to this industry for its professionals. That is why people, other than those who fly the Desert Canyon/Air Tran paint schemes offer the opinions they do.

Thanks for listening, fly safe,

GJ

OscartheGrouch

Just for your info GJ the reason why SWACapt found it necessary to go to HSLD with a complaint was because he felt (as I did) that a "moderator" was not performing said duties in a professional way. After spending a day and a half (as SWACapt did) posting we both found our posts removed. Frankly I don't like wasting my time. Having a moderator remove our posts (that were not in violation of APC rules) with no real public explanation was an exercise of control that was not warranted.

Unless you were on APC for that day and half reading our posts you couldn't possibly understand SWACapt's point of view. To characterize it as picking up his toys and tattle telling on the moderator is well..............clueless.

I am personally okay with the moderator, but still believe there is bias displayed in his/her posts. Until I see a SWA pilot co-moderating posts on APC about SWA (or at least a Marine) I will continue to feel that bias exists. I personally wouldn't want the job.

The Oscar

Elliot

I'm quite sure that your posts, as well as SWACapt's posts, are more widely accepted on your SWAPA forum anyway. So, not to cause you or SWACapt any heartburn over the differing opinions on this forum, feel free to exercise your "my opinion is the only correct opinion" on that forum instead.

Thanks for your time and effort in making this "free of charge" forum what it is today.

Fly safe,

GJ

OscartheGrouch

Since you were on for that day and half, do you agree with the moderator removing posts based on the discussion at hand?

Just like any business perhaps a discussion of the right person moderating a particular thread can possibly be brought up to the powers that be?

I am not arrogant enough to think that my opinion is the only one. I can't speak for others though. A little introspection now and then does wonders.

There are no ex-Marines only former Marines. I would like to have him moderate some on the SWA threads now and then.

The Oscar

BTW, I don't participate of the SWAPA forum. Too much group think. You folks would be screwing yourselves into the roof if you saw our Forum.

Elliot

Fly safe,

GJ

80ktsClamp

The posts that were removed were resultant of my post which was admittedly over the line... which is standard procedure with any thread. It keeps the train wreck from piling up too far.

It was my post that was over the line, and thus removed... SWA and Oscars posts were fine... it was just going nowhere worthwhile and needed to be taken to PM as it eventually was. Speaking of... Oscar, I've been meaning to get back to you. Learning this frenchie airplane is taking up a lot of my time.

No fiefdom here... And someone has got to have a pretty miserable life if they derive any "power" from being a moderator.

OscartheGrouch

80kts,


I have in fact heard from most that there is quite a bit to learn wrt to the Airbus. Keep plugging away.

I didn't mean to get into this again and in fact because of our PM's I actually see your point on many things and any further explanations are not necessary. I too have made some posts I wish I could have back. I just didn't have the magical delete button. Many times I reread mine 3-4 times and edit afterwards just in case I have said something I regret.

As I have said, someone needs to moderate, so thanks 80kts et al for stepping up.

The Oscar