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05-22-2012, 08:50 AM

SamFoxpilot

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Yes - Delta is taking the 717s

It looks like a done deal. DAL to get our 717s. No furloughs - all AT pilots will come over to the 737.

Southwest Airlines, Delta Air Lines, And Boeing Capital Reach A Tentative Agreement To Sublease AirTran Boeing 717 Fleet - MarketWatch

05-22-2012, 09:01 AM

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Hmmm. So why the hell would they have cancelled 30 -800 deliveries? I just don't get it. Is it possible that the deal includes taking some of DLA's 737s that are on property and/or delivery slots? Have any DLA pilots heard anything on that? Congrats btw. I hope this is at least partial growth for you guys when all is said and done.

05-22-2012, 09:20 AM

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Hmmm. So why the hell would they have cancelled 30 -800 deliveries?

They didn't cancel any deliveries, but deferred them to a later date, most likely to convert them to MAX orders.

05-22-2012, 09:42 AM

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Deferring deliveries for 5 years is the equivalent of canceling them.

I'll gladly pay you $100 if I can keep deferring payment indefinitely.

05-22-2012, 09:46 AM

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Makes life very hard to plan if you are an AirTran pilot. This decision essentially invalidates the transition bid previously awarded to determine where an AirTran pilot will end up on the SWA side of the partition. Unfortunately, all the messages from SWA leadership today forgot to mention this little fact...a big mistake if you really care about your people. Nice. Now there are 1600 pilots who have no clue when they are going to transition and where they are going to be based. Remember the ATL and TPA base options were for the 717's only. Will every AirTran pilot end up commuting????? It's a real possibility. Will a new transition bid be held? Hope so. Will seniority be honored in the bid? History doesn't bode well. When will AirTran pilots be off the B scale? Hmmmm. Not feeling the LUV today.

05-22-2012, 10:07 AM

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Could it be capacity discipline? A few ago Southwest CEO was quoted as saying that "if" the 717 was to find a new home they would slow down the retirement of the 737 classics, they want to receive more -800 but it would be a tricky transition to replace the 717 with -800. It would be a huge jump to go from 117 seats to 175 seats, this would mean reduced frequency and less pilots as well.

"Even if Southwest replaces those Boeing 717s on a one-for-one basis, it will still represent an increase in Southwest's capacity. The 717s have 10.296 seats. If they are replaced by 143-seat Boeing 737-700s, it'll be a 22.2 percent increase in seats to 12,584. If the 717s are replaced by 175-seat Boeing 737-800s, it'll be a 49.6 percent increase to 15,400 seats."

Southwest Airlines to sublease its Boeing 717s to Delta | Airline Biz Blog | dallasnews.com

05-22-2012, 10:18 AM

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Deferring deliveries for 5 years is the equivalent of canceling them.

I'll gladly pay you $100 if I can keep deferring payment indefinitely.

Deferring deliveries of aircraft that Boeing claims are 13.5% less efficient than the MAX is smart business. If you are going to spend the money on new replacement aircraft it seems plausible that taking delivery of an airframe that is up to 13.5% more efficient is the smarter play. How long will the -300's hang in there without becoming a convertible is the real question here. If we have another depressurization event I can only assume the the variant using the skin joints that failed will surely be grounded. Where can we replace that lift after we defer deliveries and toss the 717?

05-25-2012, 09:12 AM

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I think you have hit the nail on the head. I'd add that by deferring the NG deliveries, they are putting pressure on Boeing to accelerate the Max. (if that's possible...)