ATN ALPA files against SWA and SWAPA
09-21-2012, 01:48 PM
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ATN ALPA files against SWA and SWAPA
Last week, we reported that the ATN Negotiating Committee met with their counterparts from SWAPA and discussed a wide range of transition related topics. While the two sides were able to find common ground on a few items, they identified several areas of disagreement regarding the implications of the B-717 sublease as it relates to the Seniority Integration Agreement (SIA).
Today, in order to enforce the rights of the ATN pilots afforded by the SIA, the MEC filed a complaint with the dispute resolution committee (DRC). The dispute touches on a host of issues including, among other items, displacement rights, captain seat protections and an Atlanta base as envisioned in the SIA. Although Captains Jim Sullivan, Jim Gallagher and I are named as claimants to the dispute, it is filed on behalf of all ATN pilots who have been, or will be, affected by the early departure of the B-717.
A copy of the dispute can be found on the ATN Merger Hub. Click here to be connected to the Merger Hub homepage. The filing of this dispute is the first step in what could be a lengthy process which could lead to an arbitrated award. For those interested, a copy of the Dispute Resolution Agreement can also be viewed on the ATN Merger Hub. Next week, we will begin to explain the dispute resolution process in more detail.
'Capture all the ATN CA' seats, my a$$.
Today, in order to enforce the rights of the ATN pilots afforded by the SIA, the MEC filed a complaint with the dispute resolution committee (DRC). The dispute touches on a host of issues including, among other items, displacement rights, captain seat protections and an Atlanta base as envisioned in the SIA. Although Captains Jim Sullivan, Jim Gallagher and I are named as claimants to the dispute, it is filed on behalf of all ATN pilots who have been, or will be, affected by the early departure of the B-717.
A copy of the dispute can be found on the ATN Merger Hub. Click here to be connected to the Merger Hub homepage. The filing of this dispute is the first step in what could be a lengthy process which could lead to an arbitrated award. For those interested, a copy of the Dispute Resolution Agreement can also be viewed on the ATN Merger Hub. Next week, we will begin to explain the dispute resolution process in more detail.
'Capture all the ATN CA' seats, my a$$.
09-21-2012, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL
Last week, we reported that the ATN Negotiating Committee met with their counterparts from SWAPA and discussed a wide range of transition related topics. While the two sides were able to find common ground on a few items, they identified several areas of disagreement regarding the implications of the B-717 sublease as it relates to the Seniority Integration Agreement (SIA).
Today, in order to enforce the rights of the ATN pilots afforded by the SIA, the MEC filed a complaint with the dispute resolution committee (DRC). The dispute touches on a host of issues including, among other items, displacement rights, captain seat protections and an Atlanta base as envisioned in the SIA. Although Captains Jim Sullivan, Jim Gallagher and I are named as claimants to the dispute, it is filed on behalf of all ATN pilots who have been, or will be, affected by the early departure of the B-717.
A copy of the dispute can be found on the ATN Merger Hub. Click here to be connected to the Merger Hub homepage. The filing of this dispute is the first step in what could be a lengthy process which could lead to an arbitrated award. For those interested, a copy of the Dispute Resolution Agreement can also be viewed on the ATN Merger Hub. Next week, we will begin to explain the dispute resolution process in more detail.
'Capture all the ATN CA' seats, my a$$.
Today, in order to enforce the rights of the ATN pilots afforded by the SIA, the MEC filed a complaint with the dispute resolution committee (DRC). The dispute touches on a host of issues including, among other items, displacement rights, captain seat protections and an Atlanta base as envisioned in the SIA. Although Captains Jim Sullivan, Jim Gallagher and I are named as claimants to the dispute, it is filed on behalf of all ATN pilots who have been, or will be, affected by the early departure of the B-717.
A copy of the dispute can be found on the ATN Merger Hub. Click here to be connected to the Merger Hub homepage. The filing of this dispute is the first step in what could be a lengthy process which could lead to an arbitrated award. For those interested, a copy of the Dispute Resolution Agreement can also be viewed on the ATN Merger Hub. Next week, we will begin to explain the dispute resolution process in more detail.
'Capture all the ATN CA' seats, my a$$.
09-22-2012, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Glad to see it, Matthew. However, just because it's filed doesn't mean a "done deal". Let's hope those Cptn. seats get protected though at the very least. I'd love to laugh right in Steve Chase's face when the arbitration award gets handed down in our favor.
Section E2:
AirTran Pilots whose seat positions are eliminated by reduction of the B-717 fleet will bid system seniority for their new assignment.
And then from Section F1:
AirTran Pilots will be prohibited from holding a Captain or Lance Captain position on the Southwest B737 until the January 2015 bid period
09-22-2012, 08:58 AM
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It needs to be said first and foremost, that SWAPA finds this complaint baseless. The removal of the 717 fleet type from Southwest's single-fleet operation was a known consideration* throughout the pilot integration negotiations and process. The Seniority Integration Agreement was negotiated with the Company and AirTran ALPA with the full understanding that the 717 aircraft may not be in the Company's future plans. Direct public quotes from Gary Kelly asserted just that. While we do not fault AirTran ALPA pilots for filing this claim, we are confident that the members of the Dispute Resolution Committee will find that this complaint does not fit within the outlined process of the Dispute Resolution Agreement.
09-22-2012, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by V169
The Seniority Integration Agreement was negotiated with the Company and AirTran ALPA with the full understanding that the 717 aircraft may not be in the Company's future plans. Direct public quotes from Gary Kelly asserted just that.
09-22-2012, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
HA! "Negotiated with the Company"? Okay, if that's what you call "negotiations
I too wish SWA didn't buy AT. I just think there are too many like you that feel victimized which gives me grave concerns for our work groups enjoyable culture. So far the pilots I have met that have come over from AT I find very nice and seemingly excited to be here and that those like you are the minority and fall within the same percentages we have that have no effect on our culture.
09-22-2012, 11:17 AM
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Those were actually Steve Chase's words. Still waiting for the transcript from the recorded conversation between Gary and ALPA where he said "Vote yes for SL-10 or you're all fired" that is the basis for your conspiracy theory that you had no choice other than to vote "yes" to the whole deal . . .
09-22-2012, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SWAblue
It might be a little bit tough to do based on these terms of the agreement:
Section E2:
AirTran Pilots whose seat positions are eliminated by reduction of the B-717 fleet will bid system seniority for their new assignment.
And then from Section F1:
AirTran Pilots will be prohibited from holding a Captain or Lance Captain position on the Southwest B737 until the January 2015 bid period
Section E2:
AirTran Pilots whose seat positions are eliminated by reduction of the B-717 fleet will bid system seniority for their new assignment.
And then from Section F1:
AirTran Pilots will be prohibited from holding a Captain or Lance Captain position on the Southwest B737 until the January 2015 bid period
It was only AFTER SWA announced that 36 717s would still be on property after 12/31/2014 (thereby ensuring that ~150 ATN CA would keep their seats) that Steve Chase made reference to the egregious violation and reiterated how it was his duty to 'capture' the seats.
Now SWA is negotiating directly with ALPA without anyone from SWAPA in the room. That should scare the h3ll out of SWAPA. Does Steve Chase and company really think this strengthens their Section 6 negotiating position?
SWAPA should've been more concerned about getting ALPA off the property and becoming the only union.
09-22-2012, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by V169
Those were actually Steve Chase's words. Still waiting for the transcript from the recorded conversation between Gary and ALPA where he said "Vote yes for SL-10 or you're all fired" that is the basis for your conspiracy theory that you had no choice other than to vote "yes" to the whole deal . . .
Southwest's Plan B: A 'slow dismantling' of AirTran? - USATODAY.com
09-22-2012, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL
That's not the problem. I understand the ramifications for the ATN CAs.
It was only AFTER SWA announced that 36 717s would still be on property after 12/31/2014 (thereby ensuring that ~150 ATN CA would keep their seats) that Steve Chase made reference to the egregious violation and reiterated how it was his duty to 'capture' the seats.
Now SWA is negotiating directly with ALPA without anyone from SWAPA in the room. That should scare the h3ll out of SWAPA. Does Steve Chase and company really think this strengthens their Section 6 negotiating position?
SWAPA should've been more concerned about getting ALPA off the property and becoming the only union.
It was only AFTER SWA announced that 36 717s would still be on property after 12/31/2014 (thereby ensuring that ~150 ATN CA would keep their seats) that Steve Chase made reference to the egregious violation and reiterated how it was his duty to 'capture' the seats.
Now SWA is negotiating directly with ALPA without anyone from SWAPA in the room. That should scare the h3ll out of SWAPA. Does Steve Chase and company really think this strengthens their Section 6 negotiating position?
SWAPA should've been more concerned about getting ALPA off the property and becoming the only union.
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