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Old 02-19-2013, 05:19 PM
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SWA will marry jetBlue.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:37 PM
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You can't be serious buddy...
it was his first post ever. Pretty sure its flame
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:28 PM
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That's what I've been saying. Not necessarily JB, but how could SWA not want to have a significant presence in the world's biggest air travel market?
I'm afraid you're right, my friend.

I've heard that SWA will be buying JetBlue within the next couple of years. Mr. Kelly wants to kill a competitor and get JFK slots. While he likes the E-190, he plans to sub-lease the Airbuses to AAL. Which sucks for you and I, because we'll end up integrating all 2000 JetBlue pilots but only a fraction of their flying assets will make it on property resulting in stagnation and overmanning.

I've also heard that SWAPA has decided to change their stance on SLIs. Based on feedback from the last integration, and pressure from a SWA management team eager to avoid problems from new employees, SWAPA will accede to Relative Seniority for all future acquisitions, even with significantly disparate carriers.

So even though SWA pilots (and, shortly, all AAI pilots) enjoy gigantic advantages in pay rates, work rules, job security, quality of life, benefits, etc. compared to JetBlue, we've decided that this doesn't matter. All narrow body aircraft pilot jobs are inherently the same, we've concluded; therefore, seniority at one company is worth exactly the same as at another. The fact that dozens of JetBlue pilots have voluntarily surrendered their seniority at JB to start at the bottom at SWA is meaningless. The fact that a career at SWA is likely worth 7 figures more than a similar one at JB is likewise immaterial. And the fact that JetBlue pilots are much younger than those at SWA, which will result in the top of the combined list being nearly all JB in 25 years or less, is something SWA/AAI pilots are just going to have to suck up.

The more radical SWAPA leadership now considers it bourgeois to insist that we own our CBA just because we built it. We need to share our hard earned gains whenever we have the opportunity and should not expect any seniority in return.

SWAPA and SWA have concluded that it's our job to seek parity and equality amongst all narrow body pilots, not to craft an SLI that protects our own and factors in practical considerations central to the very concept of employment such as pay, job security, age, and work rules. A JetBlue Captain should keep his seat, period!, even though SWA FOs make about the same as him, and even though he's probably younger than most SWA FOs, and even though he's not really bringing a seat to the game if GK plans on sub-leasing most of the JB airplanes, and even though he's just received windfall gains in work rules, benefits, job security, etc.

This will suck for you and I in the future JetBlue acquisition. We'll be at a much larger, and therefore growth-limited airline with a bunch of new, younger guys permanently above us on the seniority list. It can be a bit disconcerting to consider that our new co-workers received gigantic pay increases while we got absolutely nothing, we'll try to ignore such selfish reflections. While it's true we won't lose any relative seniority initially, we'll find as we approach retirement that we in fact lost a lot of seniority due to the age disparity between the two groups. All this may be a bit unsettling, but it will be worth it. At least we'll know our sacrifice contributed to noble cause of blind egalitarianism.
Somebody call the WAAAAmbulance!
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:29 PM
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I've lurked on this forum for a few years. Based on what I've read on this sub-forum, I think you can make a solid argument that a lack of posts makes one MORE credible.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:31 PM
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For example, the "waaambulance" guy has 324.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:58 PM
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Candide,
The harm was from SWA's decision to buy Airtran. Flaming 25% of our new and improved seniority list might not be the best solution for future unity, should we ever need that :/ 2 minutes for un-sportsman like conduct, 2 minutes for roughing.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:28 AM
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Rolf,

The harm came, if you believe the APC conventional wisdom (and I do!), when SWAPA, abetted by SWA, refused to accept a relative seniority integration with AAI pilots.

I've come to believe, based what I've read here, that making any kind of distinction between an erstwhile Airtran pilot career and a SWA pilot career and factoring those significant differences into the SLI was arrogant, unfair, and anti-proletarian.

Can I count on you to support a relative seniority integration with a JetBlue or Allegiant acquisition? Even if SWA will only take a fraction of the airplanes? I hope I can. I couldn't bear to hear about a 6 year Allegiant captain making 140K/yr losing his seat to become a lowly SWA FO.
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Candide,

You missed my point. If the award was straight relative or a staple, it is water under the bridge. I get their argument and I very much get ours. The point I was trying to make (poorly): WE are going to be facing issues in the future that can easier be won, if we don't **** off any more people on our seniority list than we need. I think we can get more accomplished if we at least hear each others grievances and scratch each others backs. Probably utopian but wine does that. For the record, my objection to this integration isn't so much the list (relative seniority wouldn't have been fair, imo) but the implementation and lack of remedies for those harmed.

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