WHACKMASTER

I am very lucky to have a job and a good one at that. In no way, shape or form does that excuse how things were handled or how we were treated.

Please don't get carried away with your "lucky to have a job" mentality too much when dealing with your airline career. One should take a step back and count his blessings, but that mentality is partly responsible for the demise of this profession.

SW is getting the MAX. You should feel lucky to have that shiny, new jet in your future. I suppose that you don't expect a cost of living raise now, right?

WHACKMASTER

Ha! Not even close, man. Some of the things out of their mouths and their mindset would blow you away.

Justdoinmyjob

Maybe it's just me, but starting an internet flame war as an FNG with another pilot at the airline you just got hired at isn't smart. There is this thing in the civilian world called "probation." Just like surviving boot, you don't want to be the fecal shield for the rest of the platoon.

OscartheGrouch

JDMJ,

Do you even have a clue what surviving boot means? The percentage of those at the majors that that don't get off probation is laughable. My OCS class started with 60 and graduated 29.

Calling someone an FNG as if he can't have an opinion about complainers and whiners?

What actually do you as a non SWA employee have to contribute here? You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and I for one would like you to reveal what that is. If you are courageous enough please enlighten us. I doubt you will.

The Oscar

OscartheGrouch

Would that angst have anything to do with strangling the golden goose for every golden egg? Overplaying their hand and then being confronted with what happened on 9-11 after their companies where in a weakened position? Retires lost their DB retirements because of what unions extracted from their companies. You have to allow for sustainability when you negotiate a contract. Unions and management did not allow for anything negative and paid the price. What happened to the legacy airlines was their own fault. SWA did their own thing and the others failed to adjust.

We are now facing some difficulties of our own and hopefully we will adjust. I for one won't be blaming another airline if we don't correct things.

The Oscar

itsokimapilot

Thank you, I'm excited to have this opportunity, point taken. I was hoping to clean up a thread derail by creating this thread. You're correct, it's not going to work. Too bad we're the ones paying the price.

-Out!

Justdoinmyjob

Well then, I guess I'm about to disappoint you.

Yes I do know what boot means. As a graduate of The Citadel pre Shannon Faulkner, and a survivor of the gentle rolling hills of Quantico thanks to going through PLC, I believe I have earned the right to use that word, thank you very much.

Doesn't matter if he has an opinion or not. An FNG is an FNG regardless of where they get hired. Doesn't matter that WM and the others are whiners. Best advice for a newbie is to lie low. No need to put a target on your back unnecessarily. However, if you prefer to have your new hires jump right in to the cesspool, more power to ya.

As for a chip, nope, don't have one. Personally, other than the fact I've got relatives working for SWA, I kinda like seeing the competition choking on their merger mess. SWA, AA, United, makes no difference. Every day y'all can't get your crap together, is one more day we get further ahead of the pack.

Sounds like you have a chip though.

OscartheGrouch

JDMJ,

I stand corrected on your service to our country. The Citadel is an outstanding institution. I have to say thanks for leaving your Marine brother with no intel when I looked up your info here on APC. My bust. I can't even trust a fellow Marine.

Your statement about wishing the worst (difficulties and problems) on others says a lot. I have never wished for failure for my fellow pilots and contemporaries at other airlines. Their families and their careers are something I would never try to undermine. Competition is great. Wishing ill on others is another thing so you can take advantage of them.

The only chip I might have is the angst pointed at my company and fellow pilots for the misfortunes of others. I can say that I have been extremely blessed. Will it continue? We will have to see. I won't waste too much more time on someone who wishes my company and myself I'll.

Semper Fi

The Oscar




The Oscar

Justdoinmyjob

Oscar,

I like to run silent. Like I said earlier, no need to place a target on one's self.

As for the rest, you misunderstand. I wish no ill will or misfortune to anyone at any other company. I never even used those words. I only look forward to working for the best company around. That by definition makes everybody else second best. Competitive advantages further that. That is what your, AA's and United merger messes are. Competitive advantages. Even our merger was for you. You can't tell me that you and the other pilots at SWA would take the egalitarian road and give up a competitive advantage to another group. If so, I suspect that your SLI with AAI would have gone much different. Some of those guys had their careers and families undermined. What are you doing for them?

Business is just economic war on a small scale. I am sure that your management does and will take advantage of every misstep made by other airlines and that you were and will be right there, cheering them on. I didn't see you on here lamenting the bankruptcies of everyone else, while your company took advantage of that and expanded, thereby giving you a blessed career.

It's like your other thread looking for any success stories or the lack thereof. I sense a desire to find none so that you can tell these guys it's a mistake to leave SWA. I hope that's not the case. (What I'm reading into it.) Everyone needs to make a decision for themselves and their families. Some will choose wisely, and some won't. I got friends that left SWA for Delta, and some that left Delta for SWA. There is no way to tell who chose wisely because one person's definition of success is different from another.

You last sentence says a lot too. You don't mind supporting your company steamrolling anybody or thing that gets in it's way because it furthers your career, but then want to claim the moral high ground when anyone else says anything?

I hope you truly do have a Merry Christmas, Hannakuh, Happy Holidays, or Festivus. And that you continue to be blessed in all things. Hell, I'll even buy a few rounds if we ever cross paths, but you gotta back me up as a SWA crewmember so I get the 1-2-3 pricing too! (See, there's a competitive advantage your company gets right there.)

Frank Rizzo

I hate SW because they intervened in union negotiations, clearly favoring one side by threatening the other, which forced a lop sided SLI agreement that is causing degradation of QOL, emotional stress and monetary loss for the pilots of AirTran Airways.

I hate SWAPA for colluding with SW management by using strong arm tactics and secret MOUs to avoid SLI arbitration, thereby achieving an across the board seniority windfall and every one of the AirTran captain seats.