MaxPowers

I don't see anything in FLICA. Is it posted somewhere?

MatthewAMEL

Not yet. Should be any minute now.

Sorry. I'd post it, but it says "swa internal only" on it.

REF 5

[QUOTE]All it will take for PBS/Codeshare to pass will be an offer to "improve" the discretionary flying part of the contract to benefit the 1%ers (the mega senior who benefit from POT, which is the only thing the Lemmings seem to care about), and the promise of "growth". A few will gripe, but in the end, our group will trip over themselves voting YES for it.

That said, I think PBS, and to a lesser extent, codeshare, are red herrings. They are trying to get us to expend negotiating capital on it, like last time. PBS will kill our legendary productivity, and GK knows it. They might want some "good" codeshare, which is likely the reason the "The Smartest Man In The Room" is talking it up recently./[QUOTE]

I think scope/code share is a bigger issue than PBS. PBS will come to SWA eventually. It may not happen this negotiating cycle, but it's coming. Hopefully SWAPA will still be in a position to get it right this time. Correct me if i'm wrong but I heard that you guys experimented with it but the membership hated it. I guess it depends on how bad MVDV and RM want it. As you said, how much negotiating capital is SWAPA willing to spend on it.

I'm actually probably in the minority but I don't think PBS would be bad for SWA IF it's the right vendor and SWAPA has it's hand in it. Transparency a must. I would think you guys have a relatively good enough relationship especially with crew planning and SWAPA SC that it may work. I used to do scheduling committee stuff here as well at my previous airline. PBS was brought up in our last negotiating cycle but it was quickly tabled because of the transparency issues that were brought up. Our problem was pairing optimization issues more than the lines itself. We wanted to help build the pairings but the company was hell bent on not letting us. In mediation it actually worked to our benefit because most of the airlines that have PBS have a much more transparent scheduling system. Another words our request wasn't unreasonable in the eyes of the mediator. Plus we had such a trust issue between the company and pilots we would have had an impossible time
getting it past the membership. We did however make a side letter that we would discuss it after the contract was ratified and we had built in raises if the membership wanted it.

MatthewAMEL

REF 5,

I came here from a PBS carrier and I loved it.

The up/downside of PBS is it will give you exactly what your seniority will hold.

It's benefit/detriment is also completely dependent on who builds the days inside each awarded trip. Leave it up to planning/marketing and it will be horrible. Set limits in the contract and let the union review each month before posting and it's a thing of beauty.

set min days off >= 3
set report time >= 11am
etc, etc...

MatthewAMEL

Posted in FLICA now.

SlipKid

If you guys trust SWApA to not completely screw up PBS, then I've got a bridge to sell you. PBS would be horrible at SW.

MatthewAMEL

Like I posted...remove trust from the equation...write the parameters/oversight into the CBA.

Letting pilots be awarded their schedule by the day vs pre-built trips is a very good thing.

MaxPowers

I've heard former TWA guys praise PBS, and CAL guys cuss it . . . . As has been said, it all depends on the protections you negotiate beforehand.

SlipKid

Like I said, if you trust SWApA not to completely mess it up, to the pilot's detriment, I'll give you a great deal on a bridge! It'll be years before we figure out just how badly we've been screwed, and by then, it'll be too late to fix it.

WHACKMASTER

Just why the hell is this even being discussed? Why would you take the most productive and flexible schedules in the industry and want to change them. For this to even be considered by the pilot group is insanity.