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Old 09-22-2015 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
ah I see. Well go for it then, just do it!!
It's gonna be awesome!

Did I mention, that in addition to getting a 2.5 tfp per MONTH bonus (from the amendable date), that we might even be able to get PBS? (!) They call it something else, and hide it way in the back in an MOU, (probably to keep us from getting our hopes up, since the company has already been beaten to a pulp at the "negotiating" table), but it's in there!

Even though the company may balk, there's a very real possibility that we could score PBS! Just think about it! You put in what you want, and you GET it! When combined with the industry leading subsets, dream schedules for everyone!

Can I vote yes yet?
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Old 09-22-2015 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid
It's gonna be awesome!

Did I mention, that in addition to getting a 2.5 tfp per MONTH bonus (from the amendable date), that we might even be able to get PBS? (!) They call it something else, and hide it way in the back in an MOU, (probably to keep us from getting our hopes up, since the company has already been beaten to a pulp at the "negotiating" table), but it's in there!

Even though the company may balk, there's a very real possibility that we could score PBS! Just think about it! You put in what you want, and you GET it! When combined with the industry leading subsets, dream schedules for everyone!

Can I vote yes yet?
Careful, your sarcasm is lost on the weak minded
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Old 09-22-2015 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by palooza
Careful, your sarcasm is lost on the weak minded
LOL... Yeah, I've been laying it on pretty thick. This TA is such a joke, that I figured it would be obvious.

Sorry.

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Old 09-22-2015 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine
There's a long time between now and when we vote. Right now it's an ignorance pool of opinions.

Everyone's afraid of PBS because of one sentence that says we'll agree to talk about it. GMAFB. No way PBS will pass a vote here, let the company talk all they want. I'd rather have them talking to us about it than just making up something on their own and trying to force it on us.
If schedules get so bad due to all the subsets, trading restrictions, red eye etc...... It will be us begging for PBS. The company is always 10 steps ahead, you need to think that way too.
And a measly .7% increase in 401k is a shotgun blast to the face.
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Old 09-22-2015 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gipple
If schedules get so bad due to all the subsets, trading restrictions, red eye etc...... It will be us begging for PBS. The company is always 10 steps ahead, you need to think that way too.
And a measly .7% increase in 401k is a shotgun blast to the face.
It is true that PBS (or some other name in which a computer deconflicts everyone's schedule before it is published) would revolutionize the QOL for SWA pilots. No more conflicts for vacation. With a company like SWA where everyone is essentially one category the computer would be able to build trips that would endlessly shift flying around to different bases on a seasonal basis and spread out the reserve flying. I have to believe that the headcount reduction alone would exceed 10% if not more.
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Old 09-22-2015 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
I have to believe that the headcount reduction alone would exceed 10% if not more.
I don't even think that would be possible. SWA runs such lean manning already (less than 12 per aircraft and 8% reserves). Common season to season fluctuations already create nearly impossible manning situations. Couple that with the amount of the schedule routinely dumped into open time and a 10% reduction would most likely be impossible even after removing most known absence conflicts. All that being said, I don't think the SWA pilots would ever be persuaded to consider pref bid short of it being imposed through bankruptcy or some type of force majeure. SWA pilots remain very content with the ability to easily turn a week of vacation into 3 weeks off.
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Old 09-23-2015 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
SWA pilots remain very content with the ability to easily turn a week of vacation into 3 weeks off.
PBS will make that completely impossible - ask anyone at Delta. They've got PBS as contractually in check as any major does, and they'll still work the other 3 weeks of the month in a month they have one week of vacation. Might be less for those senior in a wide-body category with high credit 7-12 day trips.

PBS should be avoided at all costs, unless you want to be awarded more days of work per month for the same amount of pay.
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Old 09-23-2015 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
PBS will make that completely impossible - ask anyone at Delta. They've got PBS as contractually in check as any major does, and they'll still work the other 3 weeks of the month in a month they have one week of vacation. Might be less for those senior in a wide-body category with high credit 7-12 day trips.

PBS should be avoided at all costs, unless you want to be awarded more days of work per month for the same amount of pay.
PBS by its nature doesn't let a trip touch vacation. That is true at DAL at least.

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Old 09-23-2015 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
PBS will make that completely impossible - ask anyone at Delta. They've got PBS as contractually in check as any major does, and they'll still work the other 3 weeks of the month in a month they have one week of vacation. Might be less for those senior in a wide-body category with high credit 7-12 day trips.

PBS should be avoided at all costs, unless you want to be awarded more days of work per month for the same amount of pay.
Originally Posted by scambo1
PBS by its nature doesn't let a trip touch vacation. That is true at DAL at least.
Keep in mind that we gave up trips touching vacation before we even got PBS, so while PBS won't allow it, it's not because of PBS that we don't have it.
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Old 09-24-2015 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85

PBS should be avoided at all costs, unless you want to be awarded more days of work per month for the same amount of pay.

We already took the first step in the last contract with the ELITT (open time trading) restrictions and the Lance restristions. I am working an extra day or 2 per month to break even compared with the old contract. Our extra restrictive FAR 117 agreement has made it even worse. But premium was through the roof this summer, and we're getting a bonus, so be sure to vote yes!


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