Why did TA1 fail? How can TA2 pass?
11-12-2015, 04:09 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by JDFlyer
Completely agreed. ALL "PBS" or "Computerized Bidding" or any such reference needs to be REMOVED completely.
You guys burn a witch lately?
11-12-2015, 04:10 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by gipple
If PBS is such a red herring how about a mutual meet and discuss red herring FOR a B fund?
11-12-2015, 05:37 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine
And you think a meet n greet with the company will get you a b-fund? Bout as likely as a meeting about bidding will result in PBS.
11-15-2015, 04:46 AM
#25
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1Seat, I mean no ill will, but unless you have worked under "PBS" or a "computerized bidding system", in the true sense of that type of schedule bidding system, you are simply speaking from a position of ignorance.
Could our bidding system could be "improved"? (1) Commutable 3 or 4 day trips? Yes. (2) Better trip mixes for each base? Yes. (3) More Turns and 2 Days? Yes. PBS does not do these things, except for the most very senior pilots in each seat. The most senior in each seat under our current system already "pick most of the fruit off the tree" each month anyway.
PBS will only exacerbate these problems and the bottom 90% of us well eat crap each month, each summer, each holiday, and each vacation. Playing word games in simply nonsense, you know we currently bid "hard lines" via computer, and that is a whole different animal from PBS.
In all honesty, though, how do you want to "improve" our hard line system? I feel all of us are open to this discussion.
Could our bidding system could be "improved"? (1) Commutable 3 or 4 day trips? Yes. (2) Better trip mixes for each base? Yes. (3) More Turns and 2 Days? Yes. PBS does not do these things, except for the most very senior pilots in each seat. The most senior in each seat under our current system already "pick most of the fruit off the tree" each month anyway.
PBS will only exacerbate these problems and the bottom 90% of us well eat crap each month, each summer, each holiday, and each vacation. Playing word games in simply nonsense, you know we currently bid "hard lines" via computer, and that is a whole different animal from PBS.
In all honesty, though, how do you want to "improve" our hard line system? I feel all of us are open to this discussion.
11-15-2015, 03:35 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: CA
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Originally Posted by JDFlyer
Could our bidding system could be "improved"? (1) Commutable 3 or 4 day trips? Yes. (2) Better trip mixes for each base? Yes. (3) More Turns and 2 Days? Yes. PBS does not do these things, except for the most very senior pilots in each seat. The most senior in each seat under our current system already "pick most of the fruit off the tree" each month anyway.
PBS sucks any way you slice it. At least now the junior folks enjoy 3 weeks off for each week of vacation and are able to work the monthly overlap.
12-12-2015, 07:12 AM
#27
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#2 and #4 above seems to be more than justified based on the June 2015 salary survey. SWA 2 years ago, more than beat the legacy through year 5. Now with the salary lagging, 16% 401k contributions by legacy and commuting vs living in domicile (yes this is correctable) makes a difficult decision if offered a CJO -vs- flow to mainline carrier in a year. It would come down to, if fortunate to get a CJO, intangibles like better working environment and other benefits. Your thoughts on the intangibles that may be overlooked are welcomed ! (The link does not require a login)
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Originally Posted by Sr. Barco
These two questions are closely related so I will give my opinions to both. Why it failed followed by the remedy in --- --- I posted this at swapilotforum.com also.
1) Ratification bonus was too low. The side letters added $2bn in revenue over 2 years in my understanding yet we were offered $125m as a bonus. ---Bonus needs to be doubled---
2) No appreciable increase in 401(k) contribution (match). Our peers get a 15-16% contribution but we are stuck with a 10% match. ---As a compromise institute a 150% match to a max company match of 15% with no cap---
3) Redeye override went from 15% to 3%. ---Leave it at 15%---
4) 4% DOS snap up. ---Needs to be 8%---
5) "The Association" can waive rule allowing only single DH after redeye. ---Either define "The Association" or remove that language---
6) Can only ELITT redeye flying for redeye flying. --Remove--
7) Giving away Max flying for free. ---No way. It needs an override or separate pay scale. This is potentially a 200 seat airplane. Is it not? I don't want to fly a 757 for 737 pay---
8) "The Association" can waive codeshare protections (PDEW). ---Either define "The Association" or remove that language---
9) MOU= back door PBS. ---I don't want a single swapa dollar going towards this study---
10) Fatigue calls require a fatigue report before you get paid. Really? We are adults here. ---Remove---
11) No appreciable improvements to reserve. ---Reserve needs to be more palatable. Pay per day, trip ownership etc.---
1) Ratification bonus was too low. The side letters added $2bn in revenue over 2 years in my understanding yet we were offered $125m as a bonus. ---Bonus needs to be doubled---
2) No appreciable increase in 401(k) contribution (match). Our peers get a 15-16% contribution but we are stuck with a 10% match. ---As a compromise institute a 150% match to a max company match of 15% with no cap---
3) Redeye override went from 15% to 3%. ---Leave it at 15%---
4) 4% DOS snap up. ---Needs to be 8%---
5) "The Association" can waive rule allowing only single DH after redeye. ---Either define "The Association" or remove that language---
6) Can only ELITT redeye flying for redeye flying. --Remove--
7) Giving away Max flying for free. ---No way. It needs an override or separate pay scale. This is potentially a 200 seat airplane. Is it not? I don't want to fly a 757 for 737 pay---
8) "The Association" can waive codeshare protections (PDEW). ---Either define "The Association" or remove that language---
9) MOU= back door PBS. ---I don't want a single swapa dollar going towards this study---
10) Fatigue calls require a fatigue report before you get paid. Really? We are adults here. ---Remove---
11) No appreciable improvements to reserve. ---Reserve needs to be more palatable. Pay per day, trip ownership etc.---
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12-29-2015, 02:39 PM
#28
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Position: Boeing 737
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I'm in the bottom 10% but here is what I'd like to see in order to earn my vote (non compensation):
I'd like to see improved reserve (not just $$, but QOL) , industry standard retirement (at least a partial defined contribution), and a volunteer list for JAs (so guys on line don't get tagged as often) plus no more being JA from a trip awarded via open time. JA on a holiday should pay triple in my opinion.
Hotel language, crew meals on any leg over 5 hours or any international turn.
I'd like to see improved reserve (not just $$, but QOL) , industry standard retirement (at least a partial defined contribution), and a volunteer list for JAs (so guys on line don't get tagged as often) plus no more being JA from a trip awarded via open time. JA on a holiday should pay triple in my opinion.
Hotel language, crew meals on any leg over 5 hours or any international turn.
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