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ropestart 03-03-2017 05:27 AM
Originally Posted by 72215 (Post 2312727)
Agreed; lets not get blinded by a pay increase and forget scope, long term disability and retirement. Widebody ULCC across the pond is on the horizon and we don't want to be code-sharing it all away without anything in return. We need to keep as many Aces as we can for future negotiations and arbitration down the road.
Can't stress enough how important this is!

AllForTheWookie 03-03-2017 05:32 AM
Originally Posted by 72215 (Post 2312727)
agreed; lets not get blinded by a pay increase and forget scope, long term disability and retirement. Widebody ulcc across the pond is on the horizon and we don't want to be code-sharing it all away without anything in return. We need to keep as many aces as we can for future negotiations and arbitration down the road.
+1,000,000,000

4fun 03-03-2017 06:12 AM
Originally Posted by ThatFlyWelshGuy (Post 2308075)
I just wish spirit would get a contract together and raise pay to be more aligned with industry standard. I'd love to take the next step but I can't provide for my family on $35K first year.
Be advised, big discussion yesterday that first years were being told there was lots of extra flights to pick up and lots of extra money around. Looks like that is old news and in the last year vast majority of new hires didn't break out of the 20's. Be sure to plan on getting min of 72hrs pay each month and budget that. There is absolutely NO REASON for a new hire to come to Spirit unless he/she lives in base and wants lots of time off and doesn't care about pay.

paidpnuts 03-03-2017 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by 4fun (Post 2312785)
Be advised, big discussion yesterday that first years were being told there was lots of extra flights to pick up and lots of extra money around. Looks like that is old news and in the last year vast majority of new hires didn't break out of the 20's. Be sure to plan on getting min of 72hrs pay each month and budget that. There is absolutely NO REASON for a new hire to come to Spirit unless he/she lives in base and wants lots of time off and doesn't care about pay.
Lol lots of extra money my a$$! They will say anything, including in interview classes " we are close to finishing the contract" or my personal favorite " pilots are going to get a big raise very soon." Let me be clear as possible. It seems a contract is not close, you will not take more than 30k home first year, and you will not upgrade in 3 years. Those are the facts. Apply away though.

3kids 03-03-2017 09:30 AM
Originally Posted by ThatFlyWelshGuy (Post 2308240)
same here lol first year is terrible but it gets livable quickly at Spirit. If they just got rid of 1st year pay they would get people in the door without problems.
Livable for who? someone with no kids and lives like a Walmart greeter. Second year pay is less than half of flying the same AC at any of the big 4. Plus look at soft pay and benefits. When you factor that in your at about 35% of the big 4. Its more than the hourly rate.

OneEyedMonster 03-03-2017 09:49 AM
Originally Posted by 3kids (Post 2312917)
Livable for who? someone with no kids and lives like a Walmart greeter. Second year pay is less than half of flying the same AC at any of the big 4. Plus look at soft pay and benefits. When you factor that in your at about 35% of the big 4. Its more than the hourly rate.
Haha, dude you're a regional CA. I would put our pathetic 2nd year FO pay W2 next to your CA W2 any day.

I make no excuses about the pay, its being negotiated, but how much less are you flying those mainline routes for on your RJ, compared to the 737s that were on them before?

The pay sucks now but I would be the work rules are a whole lot better than the regional you fly for. I doubt you even make more than the ridiculous $72 we pay our second year guys

SourGrapes 03-06-2017 12:02 AM
Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin (Post 2312054)
There's a rumor floating around we'll be 80-100 captains short for July and August.
oh no, i hope our union gives them relief

Timeismoney 03-06-2017 05:30 AM
Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2314617)
oh no, i hope our union gives them relief
I think it's more than a rumor

JasonLeonard 03-12-2017 07:27 AM
Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2314617)
oh no, i hope our union gives them relief
That's definitely not happening again. Unless they plan on falling on swords. Bendo should be very aware of that as well. I highly highly doubt they'd even entertain it.

Left Handed 03-12-2017 08:02 AM
Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2312700)
Can they cancel vacations when they get short on staffing??
Yes, but who typically has vacation in the summer? If they cancel the senior people's vacation, it will only unite this group further. Hopefully they learned that last time when they try to take away the four days off. Even the most loyal senior people turned against them. Hopefully their memories are long enough to remember that.


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