Our NewHire Failure rate hovering above 5%
10-09-2017 | 02:45 PM
#81
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10-09-2017 | 05:44 PM
#84
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No your posts say it all. You have no experience but you try to act like you know how the world works. I get it through, you fly for a regional so you must be gods gift to the aviation world. It's cool man, yolo and all.........
Also some of your posts are about TSA-PSA but most are about Spirit and you don't even work there. What a little B/t(h you are....
Also some of your posts are about TSA-PSA but most are about Spirit and you don't even work there. What a little B/t(h you are....
10-09-2017 | 06:39 PM
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You’ll spend your first week with someone brought in from an Aviation college trying to teach you about something he/she knows nothing about because they’ve never worked outside of a little instruction in piston airplanes. It’s a blur of slides as fast as they can go and no answers given to questions. Next is a week of half class/half procedures trainer. Could be a line pilot, or a retired person. Results will vary on this phase. Prepare to learn flows that don’t flow, and pressure to mount for the oral. No one has taught you the stuff on the oral yet. Then systems integration starts. Instruction starts here. It’s supposed to teach systems, but in reality you’re still learning these jacked up flows, calls and trying to shoot approaches in a touchscreen trainer. Now the Oral. If you pass that, SIMS. You get a whopping 4 sims in a plane that really doesn’t fly like anything you’ve ever flown. Next is the checkride. Then a LOFT. All together it’s 6 weeks. Don’t expect to go home during. Don’t expect anyone to care. Even the examiners and instructors say it’s 10 pounds of crap stuffed into a 5 pound bucket. IOE is actually pretty good. Those folks try to piece together the mess from training for you. Then once on line, all these Captain’s have “their” own way of doing everything, so forget what you may or may not have learned
10-09-2017 | 07:11 PM
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You’ll spend your first week with someone brought in from an Aviation college trying to teach you about something he/she knows nothing about because they’ve never worked outside of a little instruction in piston airplanes. It’s a blur of slides as fast as they can go and no answers given to questions. Next is a week of half class/half procedures trainer. Could be a line pilot, or a retired person. Results will vary on this phase. Prepare to learn flows that don’t flow, and pressure to mount for the oral. No one has taught you the stuff on the oral yet. Then systems integration starts. Instruction starts here. It’s supposed to teach systems, but in reality you’re still learning these jacked up flows, calls and trying to shoot approaches in a touchscreen trainer. Now the Oral. If you pass that, SIMS. You get a whopping 4 sims in a plane that really doesn’t fly like anything you’ve ever flown. Next is the checkride. Then a LOFT. All together it’s 6 weeks. Don’t expect to go home during. Don’t expect anyone to care. Even the examiners and instructors say it’s 10 pounds of crap stuffed into a 5 pound bucket. IOE is actually pretty good. Those folks try to piece together the mess from training for you. Then once on line, all these Captain’s have “their” own way of doing everything, so forget what you may or may not have learned
10-09-2017 | 07:22 PM
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Then what is training for? I forgot to add. You’ll be sent a link to do some online training. Then 5 days before class you get an email or call from the instructor/pilot wannabe saying to learn the flows. Nice. Then they’ll say, don’t worry about the online stuff. It’s not accurate or pertinent. Sorry I haven’t lived my life on these boards. I have better things to do than this everyday
10-09-2017 | 07:32 PM
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Then what is training for? I forgot to add. You’ll be sent a link to do some online training. Then 5 days before class you get an email or call from the instructor/pilot wannabe saying to learn the flows. Nice. Then they’ll say, don’t worry about the online stuff. It’s not accurate or pertinent. Sorry I haven’t lived my life on these boards. I have better things to do than this everyday
10-09-2017 | 08:34 PM
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You’ll spend your first week with someone brought in from an Aviation college trying to teach you about something he/she knows nothing about because they’ve never worked outside of a little instruction in piston airplanes. It’s a blur of slides as fast as they can go and no answers given to questions. Next is a week of half class/half procedures trainer. Could be a line pilot, or a retired person. Results will vary on this phase. Prepare to learn flows that don’t flow, and pressure to mount for the oral. No one has taught you the stuff on the oral yet. Then systems integration starts. Instruction starts here. It’s supposed to teach systems, but in reality you’re still learning these jacked up flows, calls and trying to shoot approaches in a touchscreen trainer. Now the Oral. If you pass that, SIMS. You get a whopping 4 sims in a plane that really doesn’t fly like anything you’ve ever flown. Next is the checkride. Then a LOFT. All together it’s 6 weeks. Don’t expect to go home during. Don’t expect anyone to care. Even the examiners and instructors say it’s 10 pounds of crap stuffed into a 5 pound bucket. IOE is actually pretty good. Those folks try to piece together the mess from training for you. Then once on line, all these Captain’s have “their” own way of doing everything, so forget what you may or may not have learned
Honestly, you sound like you’re blaming everyone else and maybe your training issues are more a reflection of your attitude you brought in.
“Captains have their own way of doing things.” Haha. Welcome to the airlines. And for what it’s worth, I’ve found Spirit CAs to be pretty consistent from one to the next and standardization is actually pretty good here. Sure, some CAs have their own techniques and methods they like, it’s how every 121 airline is. You expect the CAs at AA and DL to be different?
The oral is literally a handout with a majority of the questions written down for you. There is a published oral study guide, limitations and memory items. How do people fail this IF they actually prepare?
And as others have said, they tell you to know flows before training. Doesn’t “flow,” oh well. Cooperate and graduate. Those are the same flows we all learned.
Personal responsibility goes a long way
10-10-2017 | 05:00 AM
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Honestly, you sound like you’re blaming everyone else and maybe your training issues are more a reflection of your attitude you brought in.
“Captains have their own way of doing things.” Haha. Welcome to the airlines. And for what it’s worth, I’ve found Spirit CAs to be pretty consistent from one to the next and standardization is actually pretty good here. Sure, some CAs have their own techniques and methods they like, it’s how every 121 airline is. You expect the CAs at AA and DL to be different?
The oral is literally a handout with a majority of the questions written down for you. There is a published oral study guide, limitations and memory items. How do people fail this IF they actually prepare?
And as others have said, they tell you to know flows before training. Doesn’t “flow,” oh well. Cooperate and graduate. Those are the same flows we all learned.
Personal responsibility goes a long way
“Captains have their own way of doing things.” Haha. Welcome to the airlines. And for what it’s worth, I’ve found Spirit CAs to be pretty consistent from one to the next and standardization is actually pretty good here. Sure, some CAs have their own techniques and methods they like, it’s how every 121 airline is. You expect the CAs at AA and DL to be different?
The oral is literally a handout with a majority of the questions written down for you. There is a published oral study guide, limitations and memory items. How do people fail this IF they actually prepare?
And as others have said, they tell you to know flows before training. Doesn’t “flow,” oh well. Cooperate and graduate. Those are the same flows we all learned.
Personal responsibility goes a long way
It's a big boy course that requires you to put effort in. If you think it's going to be like a regional where they spoonfeed you, you will struggle. You have to want it, and it requires a lot of studying when you get back from class. This is not a training program where you can go out drinking every night after class
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