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Originally Posted by Ed Force One
(Post 2381300)
It does matter. Even if it's a signing bonus that is the exact same dollar amount as 100% Retro, it still matters.
It's about setting a precedent. For all future negotiations for all Pilot Groups. It's about making 100% Retro industry standard. If it's labeled as a "signing bonus," then the concept of signing bonuses continue to be industry standard. In the future, managements can offer whatever sub-standard bonuses they want, because that's the way it's always been done. Were NK pilots happy with their previous signing bonus? I wasn't here yet, but I get the impression that you weren't. Were all you ex-regional pilots happy with your signing bonus after a prolonged 5-8 year negotiation and whipsaw process? If Retro becomes standard, then more pilot groups can demand it with less pushback from the company. Why is this so hard to understand? |
Why do all of you insist on coming onto APC and first, feeding the company mountains of evidence to be used against us in court, and now negotiation in public and potentially screwing up our next contract? Do you all live in your mom's basement and just can't help but go home and talk about work on the internet?
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Companies loath paying retro due to the corporate tax complications.
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Can someone answer a question for me? This is not flame I actually need some clarity. Our last "ask" stated a 2% retro pay back to the amendable date of Aug 1,2015. 2% of what? Also, bear with me here I've never worked under a trip or duty rig at any of my three carriers. Can someone explain our ask of a 3.5 to 1 trip rig? Thanks
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Originally Posted by willy2351
(Post 2381570)
Why do all of you insist on coming onto APC and first, feeding the company mountains of evidence to be used against us in court, and now negotiation in public and potentially screwing up our next contract? Do you all live in your mom's basement and just can't help but go home and talk about work on the internet?
You all must have some kind of self-destructive personality traits if you can't resist posting about this stuff at this point. The truly insane part is you all KNOW management and their lawyers read this. It really is mind blowing. |
Call your rep or ask the next guy you fly with, and pleas don't negotiate on a public forum.
Originally Posted by nkbux
(Post 2381604)
Can someone answer a question for me? This is not flame I actually need some clarity. Our last "ask" stated a 2% retro pay back to the amendable date of Aug 1,2015. 2% of what? Also, bear with me here I've never worked under a trip or duty rig at any of my three carriers. Can someone explain our ask of a 3.5 to 1 trip rig? Thanks
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Not sure how that's negotiating... it's asking a definition of an industry standard language rule... but whatever you say...
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I am reminded why this forum is such a joke... your all so clueless and detached from reality... I'm reminded why I don't waste my time on here...keep telling yourself your informed by your emails and what some jacka$$ says on APC... joke
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Originally Posted by nkbux
(Post 2381686)
Not sure how that's negotiating... it's asking a definition of an industry standard language rule... but whatever you say...
Their email and any committee's is easy to find at www.spirit.alpa.org or through your Alpa smart phone app in the committees tab. |
If that was directed at me and my "Why we need retro" post, I genuinely do not think that I am negotiating in public. In fact, if you were to search my back posts, I too have said many times "Don't negotiate in public."
I'm simply stating that we need to do our part to make retro Industry Standard. (And to see how many times I can use the word retro, apparently.) |
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