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Agree 100‰ jekyll

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Originally Posted by LloydBraun (Post 2429645)

Honestly I don't think they care about the pay as much as they want work rules gone. We give away rules for pay, biggest mistake ever. Will get use to the bigger house nicer car, prettier boat but when we're doing lines with 14 days off, no schedule integrity,can't drop back to the company and flying to PT 117 limits, life will suck no matter the pay.

100% correct. They want the work rules most of all. They'll be back for money later. Do NOT give up work rules. Ask the guys at AA, DAL, UAL and SWA. You will never get work rules back and management knows this. Part 117 SUCKS! :eek:

Those not on the call, you're not getting on. Capped at 500.

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Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2430046)

Those not on the call, you're not getting on. Capped at 500.

wow, just wow.....i have no words

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Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2430048)

wow, just wow.....i have no words

Sorry, I guess only this time.

Weekly calls to come, definitely worth making a point to hit the next one.

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Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2430048)

wow, just wow.....i have no words

Here's your chance Grapes, adding a call today.

3pm EST call to allow those who missed out to hear from your Committee.

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Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2430065)

Here's your chance Grapes, adding a call today.

3pm EST call to allow those who missed out to hear from your Committee.

i'm in, i'm just upset for the hundreds who couldn't get in....it really doesn't matter , some of these questions are so f-ing dumb, we're screwed

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Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2430078)

i'm in, i'm just upset for the hundreds who couldn't get in....it really doesn't matter , some of these questions are so f-ing dumb, we're screwed

Some of the pilots were still thinking about what to ask as they were talking. Lots of umm or uhh going on in those questions.

I was looking at DL, AA and United Captain A320 pay scales. Year 3 is $246-$247. Our ask is $196. Top captain ask of DOS is $237 while that is essentially junior Captain pay at the big three. No real comment just a simple comparison. Pay scales are listed on APC and is common knowledge.

But you are only using the big 3. When Using comps, you use all the comps not just the ones that you cherry pick. They said there are 8 different airlines that are our 'Comprables.' Not to mention with exception a few outliers st delta nobody is legacy captain Making those rates at yesr 3. I'm not advocating either way, I have my opinion on the proposal and I'll keep pretty much to myself. Just saying when selling a house you use all the comps on the street not just the ones that help your price point ..
PS also mentioned only 2 of those 8 have line bidding ... so by definition line bidding is not industry standard. Collectively we'll have to pick and choose what we have to have and what we might negotiate on ..we shall see . It's gonna be a long road ahead

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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002 (Post 2430115)

But you are only using the big 3. When Using comps, you use all the comps not just the ones that you cherry pick. They said their are 8 different airlines that are our 'Comprables.' Not to mention with exception a few outliers st delta nobody is legacy captain Making those rates at yesr 3. I'm not advocating either way, I have my opinion on the proposal and I'll keep pretty much to myself. Just saying when selling a house you use all the comps on the street not just the ones that help your price point ..
PS also mentioned only 2 of those 8 have line bidding ... so by definition line bidding is not industry standard. Collectively we'll have to pick and choose what we have to have and what we might negotiate on ..we shall see . It's gonna be a long road ahead

Nah, I don't work at Spirit, but there aren't that many comparisons. Frontier's is a bankruptcy driven, Virgin won't exist anymore, Alaska is pending arbitration, and Jetblue has been in negotiations for a while now.

When you're selling a house, you compare to current values, not values that homes on that street sold at 5 years ago. The current, valid, negotiated union contracts are Delta, American, United, Southwest, Hawaiian, and Allegiant. That's it. Run those numbers if you want averages.