Originally Posted by CRJoperator (Post 2430365)

You obviously don't know much if any about AA work rules..

- When a trip is cancelled you DO NOT go on reserve. If a 3 day trip is cancelled they can assign you another trip BUT only if it stays within the original footprint. Obviously with some contractual limitations.

I agree the 4 days off between trips is nice but other than that I can't find anything else.

Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 2430376)

No red-eye plus 1, schedule integrity (reserves too!!), no ready reserve (United I believe has it), red-green, no involuntary junior manning/extensions.... There's probably more, but I'm sleepy...

Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2430361)

Ummmm okay...so IF during a downturn and 1/3 of the airlines just took concessionary contracts, I'm sure you'll be the first one to argue that the good contracts are irrelevant and we should strive for concessions also because those are the newest contracts and we should get the average of those. Hmmmm

Your housing example is just crazy!

Companies should pay fair market rate based on their segment of the industry. Market rate is whatever your competitors in your segment of the industry CURRENTLY pays.

To argue that, well... they're negotiating right now and will have a better contract soon thus we should compare ourselves to their next contract has as merit as the company saying, "well, 2 contracts from now Alaska/virgin will have a contract during a downturn so we'll use that as a baseline."

Face it, your union and the outspoken clowns has backed your position into a corner. For the sake of saving face at this point, I don't see y'all willing to come out and accept anything but legacy rates. And I believe the NMB will see the company's proposal as entirely reasonable and will stop any strike before it starts. Y'all are basically stuck in this hellhole of a stalemate for years to come.

Thank goodness there's full retro!!! Good luck!

Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2430361)

Ummmm okay...so IF during a downturn and 1/3 of the airlines just took concessionary contracts, I'm sure you'll be the first one to argue that the good contracts are irrelevant and we should strive for concessions also because those are the newest contracts and we should get the average of those. Hmmmm

Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2430361)

Your housing example is just crazy!

Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2430361)

Companies should pay fair market rate based on their segment of the industry. Market rate is whatever your competitors in your segment of the industry CURRENTLY pays.

To argue that, well... they're negotiating right now and will have a better contract soon thus we should compare ourselves to their next contract has as merit as the company saying, "well, 2 contracts from now Alaska/virgin will have a contract during a downturn so we'll use that as a baseline."

Originally Posted by CRJoperator (Post 2430365)

You obviously don't know much if any about AA work rules..

- When a trip is cancelled you DO NOT go on reserve. If a 3 day trip is cancelled they can assign you another trip BUT only if it stays within the original footprint. Obviously with some contractual limitations.

I agree the 4 days off between trips is nice but other than that I can't find anything else.

Originally Posted by pete2800 (Post 2430510)

How so? You're trying to find the current value of something. Not the value of something from 2011. What houses are selling for NOW is what is relevant.

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2430710)

That's called reserve! And there is no choice given, it's take this trip or leave it. If you decline it guess what, you lose all pay protection!

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2430710)

That's called reserve! And there is no choice given, it's take this trip or leave it. If you decline it guess what, you lose all pay protection!

Originally Posted by Planepirate (Post 2430432)

Meh...

I'll be patient. Nobody has backed me into any corner. I'll stick it out for as long as it takes to get a fair and equitable contract.